From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,e6d1607a5397de6b X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: John Magness Subject: Re: Is the Ada World Embarrassed by the Defense Industry? Date: 2000/11/18 Message-ID: <3A16D250.70FD97C7@swbell.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 695168334 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <39FDE9E4.35F615A6@netwood.net> <8tv1i6$oif$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A031100.68F2B59@netwood.net> <8tv8um$vio$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: nnrp2.sbc.net 974573909 209.184.83.167 (Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:58:29 CST) Organization: N.O.Y.B. MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: jmagness@swbell.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:58:29 CST Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: 2000-11-18T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Just as a matter of personal curiosity, does Rational provide any cross compilers for processors commonly used for real time embedded systems? Which chips? John. ps. Does Rational have a version of Apex/Ada95 suitably priced for the home user? i.e. Why can't I buy a shrink wrapped Rational/Apex/Ada 95 ( and other languages) like I can for Code Warrior, Visual C++, and the former Borland products at CompUSA ? One of the reasons that C, C++ and Java are popular is that students (and schools) can purchase compilers with decent IDEs at a low price. But of course this would put Rational in direct competition with Microsoft, threatening any existing mutual business relationships. John. mark_lundquist@my-deja.com wrote: > In article <3A031100.68F2B59@netwood.net>, > "E. Robert Tisdale" wrote: > > mark_lundquist@my-deja.com wrote: > > > > > I think COTS is a natural area to focus on for growing the Ada > market. > > > > Perhaps. > > But Ada programmers don't appear to be interested. > > What would it mean for Ada programmers to be interested in growing the > Ada market in the COTS segment? How would that growth area depend on > Ada programmers being interested? (Seems more to depend upon the > interest of those who would *pay* Ada programmers :-) > > > No Ada programmers have expressed an interest > > in an Ada language binding for the VSIPL API standard. > > I don't think that a single Ada programmer has ever participated > > in the discussion on the VSIPL Form web page > > > > http://www.vsipl.org/ > > I can envision a number of possible reasons why that might be, so > without knowing anything about it, it's hard for me to draw any > conclusions... > > You've got to admit that vector processing is a somewhat narrow > specialty, though. > > > Ada programmers don't appear to be much interested > > in numerical computing at all. > > I would say that programmers in general are not interested in numerical > computing! Most of computing is not numerics. (Nothing against it...) > > You seem to be in a double-minority: deeply interested in numerics and > vector processing, and also an Ada advocate :-) > > > I don't think that anyone uses Ada for numerical computing anymore. > > There are, at best, only some adapter interfaces > > for numerical libraries written in Fortran and/or C. > > What would you like to see in the way of Ada support for numeric > computing? > > > I think that many people in the military believe that > > they have been abandoned by the Ada community. > > Interesting... what kind of support do you think these people in the > military would have wanted to have from the "Ada community"? (Are you > talking about Ada vendors here, third-party tool vendors, or what?) > > I work for Rational Software in the Ada products group, and have for a > long time -- way back for Verdix Corp. and then w/ Rational when the > two companies merged. I was a developer until 1-1/2 years ago, then > moved to a developer role in a different part of Rational's business > for about a year, then went back to the Ada products group, now as part > of the product management team. So I'm very interested in what people > think the Ada vendors ought to be doing, different perspectives on the > Ada market, where it's going and how to grow it, etc. > > Mark Lundquist > Rational Software > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.