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From: Wes Groleau <groleau+news@freeshell.org>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c++,comp.realtime,comp.software-eng
Subject: Re: Teaching new tricks to an old dog (C++ -->Ada)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:34:17 -0500
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Pascal Obry wrote:
> That's not a misunderstanding. That's how Sun has described Java. They started
> from C++ and have removed many unsafe features. They eventually stop the
> process at some point and this has given birth to Java. That's history.

Although in at least one point they removed something that
Ada had already proved is not necessarily unsafe: operator
overloading.  As a result, Java programmers either have to
give up both object-orienting and abstraction or use crap like

A.Multiply(2).Divide(B.negative().add(sqrt(B.squared().add(A.mult(2).mult(C)))

for things that are conceptually numeric.

-- 
Wes Groleau

    If you put garbage in a computer nothing comes out but garbage.
    But this garbage, having passed through a very expensive machine,
    is somehow ennobled and none dare criticize it.