From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 10261c,cfbb90c56a313e70 X-Google-Attributes: gid10261c,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,cfbb90c56a313e70 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2000-09-10 08:01:09 PST Path: supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-east!supernews.com!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!skynet.be!news.algonet.se!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail From: Stefan Skoglund Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.pascal.misc Subject: Re: From extended Pascals to Ada 95 guide Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 19:50:25 +0200 Organization: Telenordia Message-ID: <39BA7861.46333D5D@ebox.tninet.se> References: <8o3s2a$9ph$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8o4bfq$v0h$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> <8obv01$7hu1@news.cis.okstate.edu> <39A991F3.A8D8BED7@easystreet.com> <8ofh6j$2anb@drn.newsguy.com> <39B59223.667C085D@brighton.ac.uk> <39B932E7.90927D13@ebox.tninet.se> <39B93D0A.27E841C4@stack.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: du157-241.ppp.algonet.se MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: cubacola.tninet.se 968597670 20710 195.100.241.157 (10 Sep 2000 14:54:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@algo.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Sep 2000 14:54:30 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en,en-US Xref: supernews.google.com comp.lang.ada:570 comp.lang.pascal.misc:282 Date: 2000-09-10T14:54:30+00:00 List-Id: Marco van de Voort wrote: > > Understanding a bit about objects is necessary if you want > > something like Hello World. > > No, you can make a perfectly good "Hello World" without objects. Dont you need to create a subclass of some obscure Java class to even generate a program with a null body ?? > > The student shouldn't need to handle such technicalities like files > > or units and so on. > > A file is an important generic concept used by most languages (including > OOP ones). The same for units, or modules. > > Why do you get the idea that they are useless technicalities? Because in the beginning of CS1 you don�t really need persistent storage of your work. You as a teacher would prefer not getting questions like this: Pupil: I'm working with a small a little bit of trigonometry. Why is the system bitching about no cos ? Teacher: you need to add something like this '-lm' What I'm saying is this: a language which is likened by programmer professionals isn't implicitly a good way of expression for students which has started programming for the first time.