From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10261c,cfbb90c56a313e70 X-Google-Attributes: gid10261c,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,cfbb90c56a313e70 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2000-09-08 14:29:03 PST Path: supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-east!supernews.com!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!arclight.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!isdnet!news-x.support.nl!newshub.bart.net!newsfeed.iae.nl!news.tue.nl!not-for-mail From: Marco van de Voort Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.pascal.misc Subject: Re: From extended Pascals to Ada 95 guide Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 21:24:58 +0200 Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands Message-ID: <39B93D0A.27E841C4@stack.nl> References: <8o3s2a$9ph$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8o4bfq$v0h$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> <8obv01$7hu1@news.cis.okstate.edu> <39A991F3.A8D8BED7@easystreet.com> <8ofh6j$2anb@drn.newsguy.com> <39B59223.667C085D@brighton.ac.uk> <39B932E7.90927D13@ebox.tninet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: n159.dial.tue.nl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: supernews.google.com comp.lang.ada:549 comp.lang.pascal.misc:268 Date: 2000-09-08T21:24:58+02:00 List-Id: Stefan Skoglund wrote: > > John English wrote: > > > > Marco van de Voort wrote: > > > I was yesterday totally flabbergasted when I heard that the Math+IT faculty > > > will teach the next generation programming with Java as introductionary > > > course! > > > > Expect some interesting times... examples might include (from a 2nd > > year group I taught, having taught Ada as a first language in their > > 1st year): > > note also that you need to imprint real early on a small taste > of OOP. Why? > Understanding a bit about objects is necessary if you want > something like Hello World. No, you can make a perfectly good "Hello World" without objects. > Early on it is good if the student can try ideas (even stupid ones) and > get immediate results ie like a language like ML or LISP. Again, why? > The student shouldn't need to handle such technicalities like files > or units and so on. A file is an important generic concept used by most languages (including OOP ones). The same for units, or modules. Why do you get the idea that they are useless technicalities? -- Marco van de Voort (Marcov@stack.nl or marco@freepascal.org)