From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, PP_MIME_FAKE_ASCII_TEXT autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 103376,54889de51045a215 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-10-21 02:39:10 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny03.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Stephane Richard" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: Subject: Re: += in ada X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <397lb.9413$PZ1.8076@nwrdny03.gnilink.net> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:39:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.149.82.27 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny03.gnilink.net 1066729151 141.149.82.27 (Tue, 21 Oct 2003 05:39:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 05:39:11 EDT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:1267 Date: 2003-10-21T09:39:11+00:00 List-Id: "Alexandre E. Kopilovitch" wrote in message news:mailman.127.1066703735.25614.comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org... > > I really can't guess why you, being an experienced professional in one field, > are disputing a strong and coherent opinion of other professionals on their > territory? > > Note that, after all, there are quite influental persons in Ada world - > compiler vendors, for example - whose current business (and not some hopes > for the indefinite future) heavily depends (or even is based) on Ada, and > therefore they are quite concerned with survival of Ada. Do you think than > they are all blind? That they, with all their experience (note also, that > they are usually linked to C one or another way, so they surely are aware of > augmented assignments) and *current* customer base just don't pay attention > to a customer's need? > *** What makes or breaks a language today isn't what the language can do, it's how you sell it. oh and take things about 2 years back (maybe less) where VB became so popular, does VB have += ? is vb more performant than Ada (don't make me laugh). But this is jus tto illustrate my point. some languages (including C and C++ had good sales departments then everything ramified from that. So when I hear that languages like C++ are popular because they are performant, well like all languages, and C++ is no exception to it, anyone can write bad, slow code in any language. I've seen code that produced the same result actually run faster in VB than it's C++ equivalent (which is sad to say, but true). So no, not all the right reasons determine a langauge's popularity. All it took was a quick boost in popularity and the rest was side effects (companies using C++ because that's what either their allies or their competition was using, they didn't look further than that to decide which language to use. > I just wonder from where your past faith in Ada community was originated. > What was changed dramatically since that? > *** A good question :-). Since for me, it worked the opposite way in the past year and a half. I don't come from an Ada background, but the language features (pretty much all of them too:-), and the community is what converted me (can I say converted on a national Board? this sounds a bit religious, no Ada representative came knocking at my door at 6 AM on sunday morning here ;-)... > > If you can't get the little things right, > > Once more, how can you - not professional programmer, as you said yourself - > be so sure that you know what is right in those little programming things? > So sure that you are trying to press your opinion against a bunch of professional > programmers with very solid experience? > *** Indeed how? -- St�phane Richard "Ada World" Webmaster http://www.adaworld.com