From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,fb1663c3ca80b502 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,e01bd86884246855 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public From: David Gillon Subject: Re: Interresting thread in comp.lang.eiffel Date: 2000/07/24 Message-ID: <397C29CA.7B445687@baesystems.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 650082102 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <8ipvnj$inc$1@wanadoo.fr> <8j67p8$afd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <395886DA.CCE008D2@deepthought.com.au> <3958B07B.18A5BB8C@acm.com> <395A0ECA.940560D1@acm.com> <8jd4bb$na7$1@toralf.uib.no> <8jfabb$1d8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8jt4i0$18ec7$1@ID-9852.news.cis.dfn.de> <8k5a31$1p61t$1@ID-9852.news.cis.dfn.de> <3966D7B0.5D6475E4@earthlink.net> <396CA5AD.EE955F7A@earthlink.net> <397A5CB4.AF5F6B8A@earthlink.net> X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: 24 Jul 2000 12:31:47 GMT, rc3284.rochstr.gmav.gecm.com Organization: BAE SYSTEMS Avionics (Rochester) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel Date: 2000-07-24T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Ken Garlington wrote: > > > > The gains changed abruptly when the aircraft transitioned from > > > takeoff-and-landing to up-and-away mode. This produced a sudden > transient, > > > triggering the start of the PIO. The transition now occurs more > gradually. > > > > That fixes the primary cause, but not the actual failure mode. Does > > the stick now > > have tactile feedback? > No -- you don't often get significant tactile feedback from a force-sensor > side stick connected to a FBW system, such as that on the F-16 or F-22. (In > fact, the original F-16 stick didn't move at all!) IIRC, the YF-16 had a PIO incident during the fast taxi trial and was only saved by the test pilot lifting off before the oscillation about the roll axis became severe enough to contact the runway with the wingtips. He managed to dampen it out once in the air, did a circuit and landed without further incident. The solution lay in the (analogue) FCS, not the fixed stick. There is an undeniable advantage to a moving stick, in that it immediately demonstrates the last control input if the pilot is hands-off or in a two crew cockpit. However I don't believe tactile feedback as a solution to PIO is a workable argument for mandating one. (Stick-shaker operation as a stall warner is a completely separate issue). -- David Gillon