From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,63ceef1cf4561e32 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: Rennie Allen Subject: Re: Customer balks at Ada -- any hope? Date: 2000/07/18 Message-ID: <39749DA3.CC4471DD@computermotion.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 647880072 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <8l01s4$gnr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39748F35.72CBC45A@averstar.com> <39749211.1A6ADC0A@raytheon.com> X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: abuse@avtel.com X-Trace: newsfeed.avtel.net 963945985 207.71.244.2 (Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:46:25 PDT) Organization: None X-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:46:25 PDT (newsfeed.avtel.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:46:25 PDT Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: 2000-07-18T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: "Stanley R. Allen" wrote: > > Tucker Taft wrote: > > > > Another important point is that good programmers can learn new languages > > quickly, and Ada compilers provide excellent "training wheels" because > > of their abundant compile-time error checking. > > > > This is a positive factor in some project manager's minds concerning > the long-term maintenance issues. The typical project has high > skills (analysts and contract-rate programmers) at the front end > and lower skills (college grads) at the back end. Because the > language catches so many problems up front, the less skilled > developers/maintainers are able to be more productive and > introduce fewer problems during maintenance. Dude ! Where do you find these managers (i.e. the ones with minds :). They must have skipped the (usually required) lobotomy phase of management school. I have never encountered a "manager" that was either bright enough to realize a long term benefit, or ethical enough to implement something that makes their budgeting look bad (high upfront costs), and someone else's look good (lower long-term costs - once the original manager has "moved up" - as management types like to do). Many management types I have encountered, derive extreme satisfaction from pointing out the maintenance cost over-runs associated with projects that they initiated, but some recently lobotomized^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H recruited lower management type is now responsible for. Of course, I have worked for some great individuals, but the good ones, have generally been reticent to refer to themselves as managers... -- To succeed in this world it is not enough to be stupid; you must also be well-mannered. - Voltaire