From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,INVALID_DATE, LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Xref: utzoo comp.object:2781 comp.lang.ada:5011 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!bionet!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!abvax!iccgcc!klimas From: klimas@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com Newsgroups: comp.object,comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: ada-c++ productivity Message-ID: <3847.27e5f280@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> Date: 19 Mar 91 16:14:08 GMT References: <1991Mar15.224626.27077@aero.org> <1991Mar16.000624.2513@leland.Stanford.EDU> <1991Mar16.205228.4268@grebyn.com> <1991Mar17.142756.25676@ecst.csuchico.edu> List-Id: In article <1991Mar17.142756.25676@ecst.csuchico.edu>, rreid@ecst.csuchico.edu (Ralph Reid III) writes: > In article <1991Mar16.205228.4268@grebyn.com> ted@grebyn.UUCP (Ted Holden) writes: >> . . . >>from the Feb. 11 issue of Federal Computer Week: >> >> "The GSA Board of Contract appeals issued a ruling last month that >> could effect how the military evaluates the cost effectiveness of Ada >> software. >> >> "The board upheld a decision by the Air Force to award a contract to >> a high-priced bidder based on a measure of productivity that equals >> three lines of Ada code per programmer per day. >> >> "A lower priced bidder, and others in the Ada community, said this >> standard is much too low. The protester in the case, DynaLantic >> Corp, offered an average of ten lines of code per day per >> programmer. >> >> "Three lines of code per day is absurd [as if ten wasn't], said >> Ralph Crafts, editor of a newsletter on Ada, and an expert >> witness for the protester..... >> . . . > > > I don't know where these companies are digging up these kind of > unproductive machine operators (I hesitate to call them real > programmers), but they would never get through the computer science > program here at Chico State. It kind of makes me wonder what schools > they came from, if they even have degrees. The kind of productivity > discussed in this article sounds like the level I might expect from > beginning programming students at a junior college. I would like to > know what in this world could reduce a serious programmer's > productivity to these levels. Ten lines of code per man day is quite believable in a corporate environment! $50-$75/line of code is typical even in non military applications (e.g. Mentor Graphics C++ based RELEASE 8.0 supposedly has about a million lines of code and cost the company $75million. I believe the difference in code quality, testing, documentation and the usual intergalactic corporate overhead are the problems. On the other hand I'm not so sure I'd want shareware in a cruise missle either! > > -- > Ralph. SAAC member. > ARS: N6BNO > Compuserve: 72250.3521@compuserve.com > email: rreid@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu