From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,912597791e813f68 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-01-22 10:01:09 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!usenet From: "John R. Strohm" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Engineers Pay Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:56:35 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Message-ID: <37D912932E90A61F.32CBD8CB0BE633BF.43209476713680BD@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: References: <3e2a9af2$1@iridium.webone.com.au> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library1-aux.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Wed Jan 22 11:59:56 2003 NNTP-Posting-Host: !ZWO41k-XJgg0dp (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:33351 Date: 2003-01-22T11:56:35-06:00 List-Id: "Dennis Lee Bieber" wrote in message news:hub1g-vu3.ln1@beastie.ix.netcom.com... > Kevin Cline fed this fish to the penguins on Monday 20 January 2003 > 11:12 pm: > > > and administrative personell. USD $250K or $USD 1000 per day > > is about what the company would charge for the engineer's time. > > > If I recall from attendance at the financial portion of a few design > reviews, a number in the range of US$130 per hour was quoted for the > individuals directly involved (coders, testers, engineers -- but not > general management) in the project. Of that amount, less than US$50 > went to my salary ($45/hour); the rest was used to pay for my cubicle, > supplies (printer supplies), and clerical labor (travel office, > secretarial support). Assuming for the sake of argument that this was a defense contractor, you also need to bear in mind that the government audits those numbers. There is a certain profit margin built in, and the government allows for that, but, if the margin is excessive, they can (and do) renegotiate it down. Summary: those numbers, for salary, cubicle, supplies, and support, have to be strongly based in reality. What THAT means is that you, the engineer, really do cost the company about that much. The company makes it back by selling your labor, with the other charges rolled in, and a little left over for profit.