From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,3e08c98d7ce85399 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: Andy Askey Subject: Re: Kindness Date: 1999/09/07 Message-ID: <37D5163F.E71ECE53@res.raytheon.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 522087921 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37CC6844.AB898EEE@rational.com> <1999Sep2.074353.1@eisner> <7qn419$cj4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <37D01A39.F05FF3F4@res.raytheon.com> <7qsqnm$8u9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@swl.msd.ray.com X-Trace: swlmail.msd.ray.com 936708144 25576 199.46.172.100 (7 Sep 1999 12:42:24 GMT) Organization: Raytheon Systems Company Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Sep 1999 12:42:24 GMT Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: 1999-09-07T12:42:24+00:00 List-Id: Robert, Thanx for your response and I am glad to hear that proper SW reuse is being taught today. (This was taboo when I was in school 15 years ago.) One idea to stop "cheating" is for the professors to come up with a unique problem for each class. This may cause more work for the instructor, but I think the final project may be more useful to the student in the long run. Andy Askey Robert Dewar wrote: > > Andy, reread the thread, I think you will find that people > basically agree with you. It is fine if you have a problem > to ask for help, it is not fine to ask someone else to do > your work for you, and then claim it as your own. > > In fact when I teach CS courses, I explain at the start > that it is just fine to borrow code from anywhere, under > any circumstances *PROVIDING THAT* proper credit is given, > and I note that if the top of your assignment says "this > was written entirely by so-and-so who helped me out", that > this is not cheating, but you won't get much credit. > > The one and ONLY offence is plagiarism, which is copying > without attribution. This is not acceptable even when you > have a "real" job. If a coworker writes a chunk of code > for you, then that coworker should get proper credit. > > In fact the best thing to do when a student asks for help, > especially if the student makes it clear that he understands > that this is what is reasonable to ask for, is to point the > student in the right direction to learn. > > Remember that when a professor gives out an assignment in a > CS course, the assignment is NOT to turn in a program that > does XYZ, it is to *learn* how to write a program that does > XYZ, and I think we all understand that doing things yourself > is an essential part of learning. > > Would you hire someone who had never written a program, but > had instead got someone on CLA to write all their programs > for them? I doubt it, because while you may be able to persuade > someone to write a simple program for you, you don't see people > posting here the specs for a complex project and expecting > people to do it for them. > > As for the net being different from books, it is not. If what > you do is to point people to appropriate net resources, that's > just fine, and we often try to do that. But if you do someone's > work for them, that's not at all equivalent to a book! > > I think competent students understand the difference without > any difficulty. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. -- --------------------------------------------------- | Andy Askey | | Software Engineer | | Raytheon Systems Company | | 670 Discovery Drive, Huntsville, AL 35806 | | Phone: (256) 971-2367 Fax: (256) 971-2306 | | andrew_j_askey@res.raytheon.com | ---------------------------------------------------