From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,b0d569080889afd6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: Marin David Condic Subject: Re: A question for my personal knowledge Date: 1999/05/17 Message-ID: <374087D5.3AB3A14A@pwfl.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 479163445 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: condicma@bogon.pwfl.com References: <1VEZ2.1515$I51.88140@carnaval.risq.qc.ca> <37372A84.641F2133@bigfoot.com> <7h8oe8$2js$1@cf01.edf.fr> <37382B0C.A95B6745@bigfoot.com> <373841A7.7AB200BB@pwfl.com> <373992FC.86F994D6@pwfl.com> <7hp5qk$at@zk2nws.zko.dec.com> <1999May17.145258.1@eisner> <7hpt8e$o46@drn.newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Pratt & Whitney Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: diespammer@pwfl.com Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: 1999-05-17T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Chris wrote: > In an ideal world, yes. In the real world, 99.999% of those hiring have > no clue, they only look for certain words on the resume. If you do not > have those words listed, you've just missed a chance to be even invited for > an interview. > This is very true if you are dealing with a personnel department or possibly the sorts of organizations that hire truckloads of associates degrees to maintain existing payroll applications. However, in my experience, when you are talking to the person who is actually going to have to be your boss and the job itself is sufficiently sophisticated, the language stops being the real concern and your ability to come up with imaginative solutions to real world problems along with your work ethic and ability to get things done become far more important. When I've been in the hiring side of the equation, my biggest concern is that I have a problem that needs fixing. Project X has certain technical challenges and a schedule to meet. Am I going to find someone who is going to make my problems go away? Language is seldom an issue if the individual in question seems to know anything about embedded systems. Maybe that's because coding is only a small fraction of the overall job. But send a request to the personnel department and all they are going to be able to do is read is buzzwords and see who's resume has matching buzzwords. Its not their fault - they can't know everything technical about the people they bring in the door and all they've got to work with is our description of what we're looking for. You know, now that I think about it, I never once got a job where I could point to significant work experience in the language that was actually used. I've had five different professional jobs and a few dramatic "job changes" internal to Pratt, and each one of them meant I had to start using a language I knew almost nothing about. Am I the only one with this experience? MDC -- Marin David Condic Real Time & Embedded Systems, Propulsion Systems Analysis United Technologies, Pratt & Whitney, Large Military Engines M/S 731-95, P.O.B. 109600, West Palm Beach, FL, 33410-9600 ***To reply, remove "bogon" from the domain name.*** Visit my web page at: http://www.flipag.net/mcondic