From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,INVALID_MSGID, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,b0d569080889afd6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: Marin David Condic Subject: Re: A question for my personal knowledge. Date: 1999/05/11 Message-ID: <373841A7.7AB200BB@pwfl.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 476603990 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: condicma@bogon.pwfl.com References: <1VEZ2.1515$I51.88140@carnaval.risq.qc.ca> <37372A84.641F2133@bigfoot.com> <7h8oe8$2js$1@cf01.edf.fr> <37382B0C.A95B6745@bigfoot.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Pratt & Whitney Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: diespammer@pwfl.com Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: 1999-05-11T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Roy Grimm wrote: > When one has dozens or hundreds of > programmers/engineers/developers/whatever, the costs can add up > quickly. Not only do you have to pay for the classes but you also have > the costs of learning the new development environment (even if your old > environment supports the new language, it has to have new ways of > handling some language features so it is never 100% identical). Beyond > that, there's the unseen costs of the true learning curve of the > language. Sure, you can pick up the syntax reasonably quickly but > you'll still take a few weeks or more of using that syntax to really > learn the language. That is what's expensive. > ...And let the language wars begin!...:-) pragma Flame (On) ; I hear this argument all the time - "Nobody wants to switch to language X because training/education/infrastructure/whatever is too expensive." This ends up absurd on the face of it. Stick "Java" in where "X" appears above. Apparently people were willing to eat the costs - large or small or whatever they really are - in order to get the perceived benefits of the new language. This *must* be true or we'd all still be programming in assembler. I think it ends up coming down to this: "I find language X interesting. Hence, I will acquire the resources and start developing in X." versus "I hate language Y and someone is encouraging/forcing me to adopt it. Hence, language Y will cost too much, take too long, introduce too many risks, make it impossible for me to get qualified staff, blah, blah, blah." I hope this isn't looked at as any sort of attack. I realize lots of people of good will and intelligence understand that there are costs associated with switching over to a new language. I just get frustrated with the notion that this is somehow an insurmountable barrier. It is obviously *not* an insurmountable barrier the instant Programmer Pete or Manager Mel decide they like a language and want to use it. It is done *all*the*time* and apparently doesn't bankrupt a project or company or there would *never* be any progress beyond machine code. pragma Flame (Off) ; Whew! Feels good to get that out of my system! MDC -- Marin David Condic Real Time & Embedded Systems, Propulsion Systems Analysis United Technologies, Pratt & Whitney, Large Military Engines M/S 731-95, P.O.B. 109600, West Palm Beach, FL, 33410-9600 ***To reply, remove "bogon" from the domain name.*** Visit my web page at: http://www.flipag.net/mcondic