From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,517611567e1815f2 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: David Botton Subject: Re: Java momentum slowing ? Date: 1999/05/09 Message-ID: <373612A6.3752CC19@Botton.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 475981280 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <372b0ec7.28153993@news2.ibm.net> <3728E60E.F789FD8@uq.net.au> <37299369.83779478@news2.ibm.net> <7gdlca$2j5l@drn.newsguy.com> <372f0ed9.104817048@news2.ibm.net> <7ghad5$1mma@drn.newsguy.com> <372d6106.5099983@news2.ibm.net> <7gsk7k$5fr@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <37333a43.181207462@news.mindspring.com> <7h399g$4nb@drn.newsguy.com> <3735DEB0.5D2FDB05@Botton.com> X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net X-Trace: news.gate.net 926290597 63768 199.227.148.176 (9 May 1999 22:56:37 GMT) Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 22:56:37 GMT Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: 1999-05-09T22:56:37+00:00 List-Id: "Pascal F. Martin" wrote: while Java does > have a standard (albeit quite unstable: AWT, then SWING, then what else ?). > Java does not have a standard. It has a vendor. > BTW, Java is not a scripting language: you need to use a compiler. Maybe > you confused with javascript ? You compile Python too. Python compiles to a byte code and then executes. You can even distribute the byte code just like Java and just run it :) No, I am not confused, realistic. > > The main points I wanted to make is that the argument "the language X is > more portable than Y" is invalid without a distinction between language > and environment, and that people are comparing the Ada language with another > language + environment: apple with orange. If a valid comparison is to be > made, it should compare similar features. Java is not JDK. BTW you can compile Ada to bytecode and use all the JDK facilities just like Java. (See some examples on http://www.adapower.com/os) > > As a conclusion, having used Ada for 7 years, I am still surprised how > immature are some language zealots. The fact that Ada is a good language > does not mean it is problem-free, or a silver bullet. I still remember the > silly thread "The Ariane 5 rocket would have not crashed if it had been > programmed in PL/1". A language is just a tool. No program is going to be > more robust or portable than its design allows it to be (intentionally > or not: I have seen easily portable designs that was not intended to be). Ada is a tool that when used properly leads to better implementations. If your design smells so does your code. The key is that Ada helps prevent human error unlike the C syntax of C/C++/Java, is easier reading and easier to maintain. David Botton