From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,ed45459060d00f87 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: Jerry Petrey Subject: Re: US-MN-Mpls >>> Ada Software Engineers <<< Date: 1999/02/11 Message-ID: <36C2E425.D4A791E9@hercii.mar.lmco.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 443213882 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <79scn2$k04@drn.newsguy.com> <36C2036B.D2B4B148@pwfl.com> <36C24646.804BC44E@stny.lrun.com> <79tk4j$cqf@drn.newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Lockheed Martin Corporation Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: 1999-02-11T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: kevin@nospamworld.com wrote: > > In article <36C24646.804BC44E@stny.lrun.com>, Dino says... > > > > > Also based on supply/demand I would > >think that engineers with Ada experience could name their price these days ?. > > Actually, Ada programmers make less than C++ or Java or even C. > This is your opinion but unless you have access to EVERY programmer's employment records, it is purely a guess. I have not found your guess to be the case in my experience. > You don't have to believe me, just go to http://www.dice.com, search > for Ada as key word, you'll see about 30 or so positions, with less pay than > C/C++/Java/Unix positions. (If you search for C++ you'll get 100's of > positions). > I just did a search and found 206 Ada positions on this site. > When I last was looking for a position, calling the Ada work agents listed, > they would be shocked if I mentioned a rate over $50/hr. Yet, calling the > C++ agents, and asking for $80-$100/hr was not even questioned, and many > positions would be happy to pay that for the right person. One agent told > me not to bother sending my resume if I am asking for more than $50/hr, > and this was for a huge defense project done by a huge defense company. > Again, my experience has not found this magic $50 barrier for Ada. > The reason is simple. Ada is used 99% of the time in defense and/or > goverment work. And these pay less than private commercial work where > Ada is hardly used. > > It is sad really, since Ada is a better language with no question, but > since there is little demand for it, the pay is less, even though there > are many more C++ programmers, the C++ programmer still makes more than > then Ada programmer. > I find the demand for Ada very high and the rates going up. You have to know where to look and have the proper skills. > This is my own list of software skills, listed on decreasing order > of pay level: > > 1. C++/Perl/Java beans/Corba/Networking,System programming, drivers, etc.. > 2. C/Unix/Windows/GUI/Plain Java/Swing/Web-HTML-CGI/Porting work .. > 3. Database stuff, oracle/sybase etc../system admin work, scripts > 4. VB, word, backoffice, all other MS boring stuff. > 5. Ada/real-time/embeded programming/defense work > Again, speculation only. > (notice no one cares about design and software engineering in the real > world, that is why this skill is not listed, no one ever asked me about > those skills, they only ask how many years of C++ I have). > > > Kevin Perhaps the places doing C++ don't care about design and software engineering (why I am I not supprised) but I find the ones using Ada do care and are willing to pay for it. Jerry -- ===================================================================== = Jerry Petrey - Consultant Software Engineer - Member Team Ada = = Lockheed Martin Member Team Forth = =====================================================================