From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 109fba,d275ffeffdf83655 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: f5d71,d275ffeffdf83655 X-Google-Attributes: gidf5d71,public X-Google-Thread: 146b77,d275ffeffdf83655 X-Google-Attributes: gid146b77,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,d275ffeffdf83655 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: "Fredric L. Rice" Subject: Re: Ada vs C++ vs Java Date: 1999/02/09 Message-ID: <36BF8648.EEBCACEF@linkline.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 442226870 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <369C1F31.AE5AF7EF@concentric.net> <369DDDC3.FDE09999@sea.ericsson.se> <369e309a.32671759@news.demon.co.uk> <77ledn$eu7$1@remarQ.com> <77pnqc$cgi$1@newnews.global.net.uk> <8p64spq5lo5.fsf@Eng.Sun.COM> <77t3ld$nou$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <79ce4s$lfq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <79chc7$ko6@drn.newsguy.com> <79dodb$rhf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <79fm3e$ffs$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <79fnce$iv8@drn.newsguy.com> X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: The Skeptic Tank MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c++,comp.vxworks,comp.lang.java Date: 1999-02-09T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: mike wrote: > In article <79fm3e$ffs$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, robert_dewar@my-dejanews.com > says... > > > >In article , > > Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen wrote: > >> But the point you seem to be missing is that this libarry > >> now is a *standard* part of C++.> > > >Yes, and the sort operator is a part of the standard > >language in the case of APL. > > > >So if C++ is better than Ada because the standard library > >has a sort built in, and therefore allows a shorter sorting > >routine, by the same argument APL must be even better than > >C++, since the sorting is even more built in, and we can > >get an even shorter sorting routine. > > It is the resposibility of Ada compiler companies and the Ada experts > to get togother and come up with such a library. Who else will do it? > Without this, Ada will not survive. Do what C hackers did a decade ago: Produce good libraries and post them to the public domain. Eventually a number of some of the more useful library packages will be adopted by compiler manufacturers -- only done up better (taking less resources) since same companies have acess to engineering budgets. I know squat about Ada, I must admit, but for the C world, this was done to a heavy extent and public domain editors and compilers helped to make C very popular. Remember when Small C came out? I used it to program the old Ohio Scientific Challenger III 6502/Z80/6552 computers. A large number of hackers used PD C libraries and compilers, grew up into the corporate world, and advocated C until it's acquired the popularity that it has today. I haven't seen that degree of religious behavior taken with Ada.