From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,9a0ff0bffdf63657 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,4b06f8f15f01a568 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,9a0ff0bffdf63657 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,9a0ff0bffdf63657 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public From: DPH Subject: Re: Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) Date: 1998/10/23 Message-ID: <363139F1.3A552E1F@csi.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 404487431 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6skfs7$2s6$1@hirame.wwa.com> <35F252DD.5187538@earthlink.net> <6t4dge$t8u$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6t5mtp$4ho$1@news.indigo.ie> <35FFE58C.5727@ibm.net> <3600E72E.24C93C94@cl.cam.ac.uk> <6ts1q0$vo2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <361DBC60.C153BBAD@earthlink.net> <36228EC3.4F7381FD@domain.nul> <3630b064.23189339@news.supernews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.eiffel,comp.object,comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada Date: 1998-10-23T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Arun Mangalam wrote: > There are practically only two reasosn why Brian Mueller would reply this way: > > 1) His teacher is complete moron who doesn't comment anything and does > barely any error-checking with Ada. > 2) Brian does not know how to listen or understand what the professor is > trying to do or say. > > The first case is probably not very credible, since most professors are > not imbeciles... Aha! There you have it. PROFESSORS! Who says the guy even HAS a professor teaching his class! Been to a University in the last few years? I took a course at IUPUI (Indiana University Purdue University at Indianapolis) and signed up for C++. They hired some ya-hoo from private industry as an "associate" professor. The guy wouldn't answer questions, wouldn't teach the subject, and spent fully 3 of the 12 or so weeks of the course showing off how he could derive the level at which a sphere of a given density floated in a liquid of greater density via the calculus. Meanwhile, he used foul language, and was generally either a hinderance to the learning process, or at least of no help. Oh, yeah, he started off teaching C instead of C++, and a little over halfway thru the course asked if we'd mind if he just finished the course by teaching C only. When all three of us from the Naval Air Warfare Center, Aircraft Division, Indianapolis objected, he finally got on the stick and got into the teaching of C++, but it was a much less educational experience than it could have been. There were others like him, from the horror stories I was getting from those that took other classes. The University goes out and gets these guys from some local private industry office that want to make a buck in the evening, and don't necessarily have a clue about actual software engineering or niceities such as commenting code, etc., but are up to their eyeballs in their own code all day, possibly wondering why they can't figure out the uncommented coded they made 3 years ago that they have to modify now. Soooo.... maybe this guy's "professor" really is a moron in terms of software design or with respect to playing the role of educator... DPH