From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,544c98121879c710 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,ca641b3dcee9ee4 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,544c98121879c710 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,ca641b3dcee9ee4 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: f9437,544c98121879c710 X-Google-Attributes: gidf9437,public X-Google-Thread: f9437,ca641b3dcee9ee4 X-Google-Attributes: gidf9437,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,544c98121879c710 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,ca641b3dcee9ee4 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,b99334cb89bcb335 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,ca641b3dcee9ee4 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,544c98121879c710 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,ca641b3dcee9ee4 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public From: ell@access.digex.net (Ell) Subject: Re: RFD: comp.object.moderated moderated Date: 1998/10/13 Message-ID: <3626743b.1281352@news.erols.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 400649349 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <907918039.22235@isc.org> <36210B47.6A5FE581@eiffel.com> <36234afd.80326813@news.geccs.gecm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com X-Trace: autumn.news.rcn.net 908293710 16982 207.172.54.202 (13 Oct 1998 15:48:30 GMT) Organization: Universe Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: ell@access.digex.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Oct 1998 15:48:30 GMT Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.object,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.ada Date: 1998-10-13T15:48:30+00:00 List-Id: mark.bennison@gecm.com (Mark Bennison) wrote: >mayp@falcon (Patrick May) thought long and hard and wrote: > >>In article <36210B47.6A5FE581@eiffel.com> Bertrand Meyer writes: >> > `comp.object.moderated' is a blatant attempt at censoring >> > any non-conforming view on object technology. >> >> The creation of comp.object.moderated is an attempt to maintain a >>minimum level of civility in the discussion of OO technology. The >>charter does not allow censorship based on content. This group has >>been requested solely due to the pollution of comp.object by a single >>prolific poster who makes some interesting points but wraps them in >>flames, insults, and off-topic material. >> > > >I've been reading this thread in comp.lang.ada and not all posts make >it there so I may have missed something but... isn't the proposal for >the creation of a /new/ group that is moderated? Surely the old group >comp.object will still exist so I don't see how this can be construed >as censorship since a forum for posting 'non-conforming' views still >exists. > >Just my UKP0.02. The point is the corralling of precious Usenet resources - mainly bandwidth on Usenet servers - to promote the interests of a single group and to undemocratically shield that group from criticism. There is also the aspect that it becomes a Usenet "comp." group and the above narrow motivation of the proposed moderated group does not make it worthy of such designation. Elliott > >Mark. > >>Regards, >> >>Patrick May -- :=***=: VOTE NO TO MODERATION! :=***=: CRAFTISM SHOULD NOT USE USENET RESOURCES TO AVOID CRITICISM! MODERATORS SHOULD NOT HAVE LIFETIME TERMS! :=***=: Objective * Pre-code Modelling * Holistic :=***=: Hallmarks of the best SW Engineering Study Phony Crafite OO vs. Genuine OO: http://www.access.digex.net/~ell Copyright 1998 Elliott. exclusive of others' writing. may be copied without permission only in the comp.* usenet and bitnet groups.