From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,9a0ff0bffdf63657 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,9a0ff0bffdf63657 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,9a0ff0bffdf63657 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,4b06f8f15f01a568 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: Dave Wood Subject: Re: Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) Date: 1998/10/10 Message-ID: <361F14B6.9D3FB61D@aonix.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 399624831 Cache-Post-Path: wagasa.cts.com!unknown@arniek.cts.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6rf59b$2ud$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6rfra4$rul$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <35DBDD24.D003404D@calfp.co.uk> <6sbuod$fra$1@hirame.wwa.com> <904556531.666222@miso.it.uq.edu.au> <6sgror$je8$3@news.indigo.ie> <6sh3qn$9p2$1@hirame.wwa.com> <6simjo$jnh$1@hirame.wwa.com> <35eeea9b.2174586@news.erols.com> <6sjj7n$3rr$1@hirame.wwa.com> <35f055a5.1431187@news.erols.com> <6sjnlu$83l$1@hirame.wwa.com> <6skfs7$2s6$1@hirame.wwa.com> <35F252DD.5187538@earthlink.net> <6t4dge$t8u$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6t5mtp$4ho$1@news.indigo.ie> <35FFE58C.5727@ibm.net> <3600E72E.24C93C94@cl.cam.ac.uk> <6ts1q0$vo2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <361DBC60.C153BBAD@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Aonix Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: dpw@aonix.com Newsgroups: comp.lang.eiffel,comp.object,comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada Date: 1998-10-10T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Jay Martin wrote: > > IMO Ada died because: > -- A lot of programmers scoff at anything the miltary does and the > whole defense industry. In fact, defense workers are high tech lepers. > -- Ada compilers were late, buggy, slow, too expensive, no libraries, .... > -- Ada was not C, thus perceived worthless for Unix and Windows. > -- Mismanagement by the DOD. > -- No hyped technology that it could be piggybacked on. (Like C, Java) > -- Winning cold war sucked most of the life out of the defense field. An accurate portrayal of perceptions, circumstance, and past history. Well done. But, the premise is wrong. I have a *very* long customer list to prove it wrong. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a language with a longer list of substantive, recent project wins, other than the ubiquitous C/C++ and Java (and I'm not sure just how many Java wins would qualify as "substantive" at this point, but presumably the Java list is building). Yet, where is the talk of all the *other* languages out there being "dead"? What of the long line of languages that are very fashionable, but used by essentially no one for real projects? Are they dead, or are they just cool? What is the basis for attaching such a stigma to Ada? Is this self-fulfilling prophecy? If enough people say it, maybe it will become true? I find such talk rather reminiscent of contemporary Washington politics. I wish to publicly thank the DoD for dropping its ludicrous and unenforced "mandate". My product sales have increased 30% per year for the past three years, thank you very much. -- Dave Wood, Aonix -- Product Manager, ObjectAda for Windows -- http://www.aonix.com