From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,9a0ff0bffdf63657 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,4b06f8f15f01a568 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,9a0ff0bffdf63657 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,9a0ff0bffdf63657 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public From: ell@access.digex.net (Ell) Subject: Re: Software landmines (loops) Date: 1998/09/04 Message-ID: <35effa1e.56093388@news.erols.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 387852596 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6sh3qn$9p2$1@hirame.wwa.com> <6simjo$jnh$1@hirame.wwa.com> <35eeea9b.2174586@news.erols.com> <6sjj7n$3rr$1@hirame.wwa.com> <35f055a5.1431187@news.erols.com> <6sjnlu$83l$1@hirame.wwa.com> <6skfs7$2s6$1@hirame.wwa.com> <6snpvb$e6f$1@hirame.wwa.com> <42OH1.2$vl.24707107@newsreader.digex.net> <6soqak$4vp$1@hirame.wwa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 904919807 16707 207.172.87.87 (4 Sep 1998 14:36:47 GMT) Organization: Universe Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: ell@access.digex.net Newsgroups: comp.lang.eiffel,comp.object,comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada Date: 1998-09-04T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: "Robert Martin" wrote: > >Ell wrote in message <42OH1.2$vl.24707107@newsreader.digex.net>... >>In comp.object Robert Martin wrote: >> >>: Joe Gwinn wrote in message ... >>:> >>:>So, the whole 1970s debate about structured programming (and thus GOTOs) >>:>reduced to the fond hope that if we tied the hands of those lost-puppy >>:>programmers, they would no longer be lost, and would then think ahead and >>:>write good code. >> >>: Negative. That is not the point, nor ever was the point. The point of >>: structured programming was not the elimination of GOTO. Indeed, you can >>: write perfectly structured programs with GOTO. The point of structured >>: programming was to recusively form the structure of an algorithm using >units >>: that have a single-entry and a single exit. >> >>Please show us a quote by Dahle and Dijkstra which states that se/se is >>*the* key concept of structured programming. >Elliott, I can't help it if you are too lazy to go look up the references >I've given you; and I've given you plenty. You haven't given us anything but more references to flowchart rules. >It seems clear that you know >very little about structured programming, and that you have no interested in >learning more. Martin you have not shown us one *shred* of evidence that se/se is a defining feature of the structured paradigm. The stuff about flowcharts is just that, stuff about flowcharts nothing more and nothing less. Please stop trying to insult our intelligence. In fact it is you who are making it clear to all that you are more interested in upholding your inappropriately, rigid fantasy as opposed to dealing with the facts. You should be ashamed of yourself. Again here you are standing in public with no clothes on, while shrilly proclaiming yourself well dressed. Elliott