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From: Ian Joyner <ijoyner@mpce.mq.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Unsolicited email from Ian Joyner
Date: 1998/09/16
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cjames@cec-services.com wrote:

>Subject:
>             Unsolicited email from Ian Joyner

This is an interesting definition of "unsolicited". If you post on a newsgroup,
then you are bound to get replies, either personally or in the newsgroup itself.
As you were abusive, I chose to keep it personal, and not waste everybody else's
time. My mail was reasonably polite.

>Organization:
>             Robert C. Martin and Ian Joyner are paranoid assholes

It is an observation in life that those who make accusations of this type are
usually exactly what they are accusing others of. I cannot understand your
over-reaction to a simple request to keep newspostings of a higher quality. Even
though Robert and I don't agree on everything, I have always found that his
responses are written with great courtesy, so I have a lot of respect for him.

I shall ask again, and plead with others not to follow the bad example. Please
keep newspostings of a higher quality, and do not resort to personal abuse.

I don't think anymore needs to be said on this subject.

Thank you.

I wrote:

> Dear Mr. James,
>
> This does not add to the quality of any of these NGs. Please refrain.
>
> Thank you.
>
> cjames@cec-services.com wrote:
>
> > "Robert Martin" <rmartin@oma.com>:
> > :
> > >  I have.  How about this one:
> > >
> > >  ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >  Author:   Ell
> > >  Email: ell@access.digex.net
> > >  Date: 1998/06/17
> > >  Forums: comp.object
> > >  Message-ID:   <358b04ea.1529278@news.erols.com>
> > >  Organization:   Universe
> > >  References:   <6m2abn$kef$1@news.interlog.com>
> > <6m35i5$ca4$1@hirame.wwa.com>
> > >  <35870B95.925FFB22@palladion.com>
> > <3588e518.14231523@news.erols.com>
> > >  <6m8f28$am9$1@hirame.wwa.com>
> > >  Reply-To:   ell@access.digex.net
> > >  X-Complaints-To:   abuse@erols.com
> > >  X-Trace:   winter.news.erols.com 898124862 10511 207.172.87.200
> (17
> > Jun 1998
> > >  23:07:43 GMT)
> > >
> > >  "Robert Martin" <rmartin@oma.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  >As for the rest of Elliott's article, well (Reaganesque
> chuckle),
> > >  >who really cares?  Readers are welcome to peruse the articles
> > >  >on my website to see if they draw the same conclusions that
> > >  >Elliott does.
> > >
> > >  The ones who care Ronny are the ones who will make you pay for
> your
> > >  backward, reactionary crimes against human progress.
> > >
> > >  Elliott
> > >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >  I saw enough of a personal threat in this particular post to make
> > sure that
> > >  my lawyer had a copy.
> > >
> > >
> > >  Robert C. Martin    | Design Consulting   | Training courses
> > offered:
> > >  Object Mentor       | rmartin@oma.com     |   Object Oriented
> > Design
> > >  14619 N Somerset Cr | Tel: (800) 338-6716 |   C++
> > >  Green Oaks IL 60048 | Fax: (847) 918-1023 | http://www.oma.com
> > >
> > >  "One of the great commandments of science is:
> > >      'Mistrust arguments from authority.'" -- Carl Sagan
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Which proves that Robert C. Martin is a paranoid (and a consummate
> > asshole).

--
Ian Joyner
i.joyner@acm.org