From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,9a0ff0bffdf63657 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,9a0ff0bffdf63657 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,9a0ff0bffdf63657 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,4b06f8f15f01a568 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: Loryn Jenkins Subject: Re: Types vs classes (was Re: Module size (was Re: Software landmines)) Date: 1998/09/05 Message-ID: <35F0BBA9.7AD521DA@s054.aone.net.au>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 388066838 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6snlos$bh6$1@hirame.wwa.com> <904912650snz@nezumi.demon.co.uk> <35EFFB78.21BBBED6@ksc.nasa.gov> <6spfvf$nun$1@hirame.wwa.com> <6spojo$8ir$1@uuneo.neosoft.com> <35F0702D.E4F66E07@s054.aone.net.au> <6sq6jv$bj4$1@uuneo.neosoft.com> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 904969166 4953 203.12.186.163 (5 Sep 1998 04:19:26 GMT) Organization: TekRite Pty Ltd Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: loryn@acm.org NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Sep 1998 04:19:26 GMT Newsgroups: comp.lang.eiffel,comp.object,comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada Date: 1998-09-05T04:19:26+00:00 List-Id: Pat Rogers wrote: > > Loryn Jenkins wrote in message <35F0702D.E4F66E07@s054.aone.net.au>... > >> I think OO is about creating types, not classes. > > > >Oh. Pity poor Smalltalk, being so mis-classified as an OO language! > > > >But it was possible to create types in C and Pascal. What wasn't so > >enforced/enabled by those languages was: > >1) packaging the operations and data into coherent modules around the > >types > >2) minimizing the data that is passed around the system (and thus making > >the system dependent on the data representation) > >3) distributing complexity between many interacting sets of coherent > >behaviour, and thus 'managing complexity' and 'modelling our concepts of > >the world'. > > > >Just my $0.03. > > Motherhood seems to be going rather cheaply, nowadays. Sorry, I'm not familiar with this statement. > Did you have a point > about types in OO languages? No. Not about types. But I did have a point about OO. (Although, if you classify types as the interface, then I suppose my point about Smalltalk was incorrect. I merely mentioned it because I read your comment about types, and immediately thought, "Smalltalk is not typed," per se. Thinking about it. I think I was simply wrong about this. Sorry.) But again, yes, I do have a point about OO. Loryn Jenkins