From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_DATE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,ffce418d7a49585f X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1994-09-14 07:01:38 PST Path: bga.com!news.sprintlink.net!redstone.interpath.net!ddsw1!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Germany.EU.net!Munich.Germany.EU.net!thoth.mch.sni.de!horus.mch.sni.de!D012S436!chris From: chris@D012S436.mch.sni.de (Christopher Costello) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Air Force shows how meaningless Ada waiver process is Date: 14 Sep 1994 13:49:10 GMT Organization: Siemens Nixdorf AG Message-ID: <356v0m$1co@horus.mch.sni.de> References: <353sdk$6vu@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au> <354j4k$2fe@felix.seas.gwu.edu> <35517g$8um@schonberg.cs.nyu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: d012s436.mch.sni.de X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: 1994-09-14T13:49:10+00:00 List-Id: Robert Dewar (dewar@cs.nyu.edu) wrote: : Mike, to your claim that Ada companies bet on sales to the DoD under the : Mandate. Poppycock! at least if you are talking about all companies. ALsys : was a French company which always had far more employees in France than : in the US, and concentrated on sales in Europe where there is no mandate. not quite true - in Europe the military (including NATO) have policies regarding Ada. Someone more in the know might be able to say whether these are more or less stringent than the US "mandate" : Alsys has shifted its emphasis somewhat with the Telesoft merger, but I : would still be willing to bet that a big part of its revenue comes from : non-DoD sources (including such US customers as NASA and Boeing commercial). : As for the claim that the mandate is responsible for the perceived poor : quality of Ada tools (a broad brush characterization that is not at all : generally fair -- there are good Ada tools and bad Ada tools around), I : know this is a popular view from the vendor-bashers club of which you : seem to be one of the founding members, but apart from a lot of rhetoric, : I have never seen any convincing argument that this is the case. : In fact, you could well argue that the failure of vendors to generate : sufficient revenue to support continued improvement etc was due to the : mandate not being enforced well enough, although that's also a hard : after-the-fact argument to make convincingly. : There - that should start a nice thread of diatribe. Perhaps I should : have changed the subject line to something more flamboyant :-) -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | SIEMENS Christopher Costello Tel: +49 89 636 40367 | | ======= SNI BU BA NM 123 Fax: +49 89 636 45860 | | NIXDORF Muenchen, Germany E-mail: Christopher.Costello@mch.sni.de | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+