From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_DATE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,b0123581076a0cf3 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1994-09-12 05:32:59 PST Path: nntp.gmd.de!xlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.uh.edu!uuneo.neosoft.com!Starbase.NeoSoft.COM!not-for-mail From: dweller@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (David Weller) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada ad in Embedded Systems Programming stinks Date: 12 Sep 1994 07:22:04 -0500 Organization: NeoSoft Internet Services +1 713 684 5969 Message-ID: <351h5c$gmt@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> References: <19940911.4965@naggum.no> <3504ue$lpj@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: starbase.neosoft.com Date: 1994-09-12T07:22:04-05:00 List-Id: In article , Dag Bruck wrote: >[Robert Dewar writes] >R> However, the great majority of people found it completely >R> inpenetrable, and it clearly contributed to the demise of the >R> language. > >Have you seen the Draft International Standard for Modula-2? > >If nothing else will kill Modula-2, this document will! More >seriously, the Modula-2 standard mixes natural language and VDM-SL (a >formal specification language), and I think the mix is totally >incomprehensible. The last statement is of course also a statement on >my level of education. > >By the way, the reference manual has grown from some 30 pages to about >600 pages, and is bigger than the DIS for Ada 9X. > I recall the "bragging claim" for Modula-3 was that it not exceed 50 pages. Hmm, let's see, if we remove spaces, examples, libraries, implementation notes, cross-references, and reduce down to a 2-point font, we ought to be able to do that too :-) [Actually, a bit of trivia here (maybe not), the Ada 9X RM, sans Annexes,is actually smaller than the C++ Annotated Ref Manual (which I consider roughly equivalent) ] (for those of you looking to trash C++, this isn't a good metric -- both RM's take different approaches to describing features). the closest equivalent) -- Proud (and vocal) member of Team Ada! (and Team OS/2) ||This is not your Ada 9X -- It doesn't suck || father's Ada For all sorts of interesting Ada 9X tidbits, run the command:||________________ "finger dweller@starbase.neosoft.com | more" (or e-mail with "finger" as subj.)