From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10d15b,328622178ec8b832 X-Google-Attributes: gid10d15b,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 1094ba,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid1094ba,public X-Google-Thread: 111d6b,328622178ec8b832 X-Google-Attributes: gid111d6b,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,8775b19e3c68a5dc X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public From: h_laws@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Mad Hamish) Subject: Re: Which language pays most -- C++ vs. Java? Date: 1998/02/18 Message-ID: <34ea25fa.2254805@newsroom.tassie.net.au>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 326040782 References: <6at330$7uj$1@mainsrv.main.nc.us> <34D22794.1DEE0535@platinum.brooks.af.mil> Organization: Tasmania's Access Server Pty Ltd Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.misc,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.fortran,comp.lang.cobol,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.ada Date: 1998-02-18T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:18:45 -0600, "Charles W. Hall" wrote: >Having worked with assembly code, operating systems internals, and done >high level programming, I don't think it is relevant for programmers to >know these sort of things anymore. There is no reason to program in >assembler directly anymore except for highly specialized cases. For instance any massively repeated task where speed is critical. > The >internals of generated code have nothing to do with designing a >correctly running program in FORTRAN, COBOL, C, or anyother high level >language. True for most cases, of course if you need to access hardware directly and there isn't a library to do it you may be forced to use something similar to assembler. > The operating system software is designed by experts to >properly handle the compiled code and to perform tasks as paging, >swapping, and scheduling. Seen windows recently > These are not the domain of the programmer. who shaved the barber? >Criticizing a programmer for not knowing the internals of the operating >system is like criticizing an automobile owner for not understanding the >internals of the car's motor. It is not necessary for successful >operation of the car or computer system. > Wrong, criticising a _programmer_ for not knowing the internals is like criticising a racing team for not knowing the internals. >> coryb@magmacom.com wrote: >> >> > I don't expect programmers to learn engineering anytime soon, but >> there >> > is one big problem I do have with most programmers -- they are >> ignorant of >> > assembly code and the internals of generated code, runtime systems, >> > operating systems, etc. >> >> > > >