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From: mei <lewismj4@cf.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Which language pays most -- C++ vs. Java?
Date: 1998/02/18
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Mad Hamish wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:18:45 -0600, "Charles W. Hall"
> <charles.hall@platinum.brooks.af.mil> wrote:
> 
> >Having worked with assembly code, operating systems internals, and done
> >high level programming, I don't think it is relevant for programmers to
> >know these sort of things anymore.  There is no reason to program in
> >assembler directly anymore except for highly specialized cases.
> 
> For instance any massively repeated task where speed is critical.
> 
> >   The
> >internals of generated code have nothing to do with designing a
> >correctly running program in FORTRAN, COBOL, C, or anyother high level
> >language.
> 
> True for most cases, of course if you need to access hardware directly and there
> isn't a library to do it you may be forced to use something similar to
> assembler.
> 
> > The operating system software is designed by experts to
> >properly handle the compiled code and to perform tasks as paging,
> >swapping, and scheduling.
> 
> Seen windows recently <g>
> 
> > These are not the domain of the programmer.
> 
> who shaved the barber?
> 
> >Criticizing a programmer for not knowing the internals of the operating
> >system is like criticizing an automobile owner for not understanding the
> >internals of the car's motor.  It is not necessary for successful
> >operation of the car or computer system.
> >
>         Wrong, criticising a _programmer_ for not knowing the internals is like
> criticising a racing team for not knowing the internals.
> 
> >> coryb@magmacom.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > I don't expect programmers to learn engineering anytime soon, but
> >> there
> >> > is one big problem I do have with most programmers -- they are
> >> ignorant of
> >> > assembly code and the internals of generated code, runtime systems,
> >> > operating systems, etc.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >


I agree with mad Hamish. Besides how could anyone not want to know hoe the internals 
work. That's half the fun!