From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 111d6b,328622178ec8b832 X-Google-Attributes: gid111d6b,public X-Google-Thread: 111d6b,cf04ca12585a8d55 X-Google-Attributes: gid111d6b,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,cf04ca12585a8d55 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 10d15b,328622178ec8b832 X-Google-Attributes: gid10d15b,public X-Google-Thread: 10d15b,cf04ca12585a8d55 X-Google-Attributes: gid10d15b,public X-Google-Thread: 1094ba,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid1094ba,public X-Google-Thread: 1094ba,cf04ca12585a8d55 X-Google-Attributes: gid1094ba,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,8775b19e3c68a5dc X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,cf04ca12585a8d55 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,cf04ca12585a8d55 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,cf04ca12585a8d55 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public From: The Goobers Subject: Re: Philosophers Date: 1998/02/05 Message-ID: <34DA489E.6226@erols.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 322457283 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <67et6o$dql@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <34C9F3D0.6B5A@erols.com> <6ao78n$52r@mrpibb.eng.umd.edu> <34D120D3.6B18@erols.com> <6bco4k$1or@periodic.eng.umd.edu> To: "Warren B. Focke" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 886720750 4431 207.172.129.100 (5 Feb 1998 23:19:10 GMT) Organization: BudNy Organisation Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: docdwarf@erols.com Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.misc,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.fortran,comp.lang.cobol,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.ada Date: 1998-02-05T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Warren B. Focke wrote: > > The Goobers said: > >Warren B. Focke wrote: > >> I'll argue that a natural philosopher studies "nature", while a > >> scientist seeks truth through the scientific method. > > > >You realise, of course, this assumes both that there is 'truth' and that > >said 'truth' can be found via the scientific method... since > > Indeed. > Loth as I am to continue a subthread that has drifted so far > off topic, thank you for catching me in a common error. I caught no error, I merely pointed out an assumption or two... nothin' special, truly. > > Truth has nothing to do with it. It's about developing theories that > successfully predict experimental results. One might find the truth > through such methods, but could never know (through those methods) that > one had done so. For a 'simple' science... say, biology, it might be argued that the 'truth' is empirically verified in the laboratory through mechanisms which, when independently implemented, generate reproducible results. ('See? The crew in Bombay did it, too, and *they* got one with two heads! Now that we've settled that let's all go out for a beer.') For a 'not-so-simple' science... astrophysics or quantum mechanics, the 'big-big-big' or 'tiny-tiny-tiny' sciences... 'truth' lies more in the generating of equations to describe phenomena. These are, of course, *very* simplistic summations of *very* complex fields... so I wonder if I have spoken... truth. DD