From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1014db,3cfb037adfeca545 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,8775b19e3c68a5dc X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,3cfb037adfeca545 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 111d6b,328622178ec8b832 X-Google-Attributes: gid111d6b,public X-Google-Thread: 111d6b,3cfb037adfeca545 X-Google-Attributes: gid111d6b,public X-Google-Thread: 10d15b,328622178ec8b832 X-Google-Attributes: gid10d15b,public X-Google-Thread: 10d15b,3cfb037adfeca545 X-Google-Attributes: gid10d15b,public X-Google-Thread: 1094ba,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid1094ba,public X-Google-Thread: 1094ba,3cfb037adfeca545 X-Google-Attributes: gid1094ba,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,3cfb037adfeca545 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,3cfb037adfeca545 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public From: Patricia Shanahan Subject: Re: Which language pays most -- C++ vs. Java? Date: 1998/01/11 Message-ID: <34B8DC0F.BA0554DB@acm.org>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 314944568 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <67et6o$dql@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <882757510snz@genesis.demon.co.uk> <67ktrg$ibk@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <883319809snz@genesis.demon.co.uk> <68bt2p$d48@lotho.delphi.com> <34a991f0.2379476@news.diac.com> <68dm0i$brv1@news.fiberlink.net> <01bd198f$4050d960$68c8b5cc@dhite.unicomp.net> <34B71B71.1EFDCAD8@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Who? Me? Organized? Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.misc,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.fortran,comp.lang.cobol,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.ada Date: 1998-01-11T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Highlander Consulting wrote: > > Dan wrote: > > > > Words of caution > > > - you will never be respected (and rightly so) > > > - it doesn't pay much (because you'll be competing with people with no > > > degrees and non-Computer Science degrees who are self taught, and the > > people > > > doing the hiring don't value the process of software engineering). > > I have no love of VB, but I have to respond to the idea that people who are > self-taught aren't that great. I have a PhD......in analytical chemistry. > However, somehow, I was able to fool that tiny little company--Boeing--into > offering me a job in software development. Can you tell me why-when I don't > have a CS degree-that I was offered a job?? I have to say that, although I > think that taking classes about data structures, databases, and many other > programming paradigms, I don't think that a degree in CS is that necessary to > make a good programmer. Many, many, years ago I landed my first programming job on the basis of a mathematics degree, a couple of programming classes, and doing very well on a test of problem decomposition that my employer was using as part of the interview process. A couple of years later I went back to college part-time to get my MSCS, even though I did not need it for any immediate career purposes. It is one of the best decisions I have ever made. I learned a lot that I would not have guessed or worked out for myself about data structures, how programming languages are put together etc. I became a much better programmer, not so much for the degree, but for what I learned while getting it. Someone who can program acceptably well using only talent will program even better combining talent with the body of knowlege about computing that is communicated in a good CS degree course. Patricia