From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10a146,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 1094ba,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid1094ba,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,8775b19e3c68a5dc X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: fa0ae,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gidfa0ae,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public From: Dean Roddey Subject: Re: Which language pays most? Smalltalk, not C++ nor Java. Date: 1998/01/03 Message-ID: <34AEB339.4448B20@charmedquark.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 312501132 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199712121931.LAA25389@sirius.infonex.com> <34A7B45C.403B@min.net> <01bd14b4$dc6f6a80$6428b4cf@carla.ici.net> <68du36$l10$1@darla.visi.com> <01bd171b$444880c0$8a0af880@fido312.UIC.EDU> <34AD2228.ADFB60DB@its.cl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Charmed Quark Software Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: droddey@charmedquark.com Newsgroups: comp.lang.fortran,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.perl.misc,comp.lang.ada,comp.edu Date: 1998-01-03T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Guillermo Schwarz wrote: > Shelly Mujtaba wrote: > > Conclusion: > Which app. would need to be coded in C++ if Smalltalk already exists? > Why should someone bother with edit, compile, link, run, debug if it can be > done all on the fly? > Why would someone mess with a wanna be OOL if a OOL from the ground > up is available? Well, its not because of an international conspiracy to destroy the minds of Smalltalk developers or anything. I think that a lot of people, like me, who use C++ would like to have a better language. But, at the same time, we recognize that performance is kind of a limiting factor. Even with a language like C++, which very much lives towards the speed side of the speed/abstraction continuum, we see that our code has performance issues. Some of us just don't feel like we can afford to move any further along that continuum right now. And, when we do, I hope that it will not be Smalltalk or Java that makes us move that way. I hope that its a language that takes the best of what's out there, plus a lot of what's been learned in recent years. I would hope that it would address both the needs of high performance, statically typed, heavily compile type checked systems and those of on-the-fly interpreted, distributed systems simultaneously. -------------------------- Dean Roddey The CIDLib Class Libraries Charmed Quark Software droddey@charmedquark.com http://www.charmedquark.com "Software engineers are, in many ways, similar to normal people"