From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 111d6b,328622178ec8b832 X-Google-Attributes: gid111d6b,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 1094ba,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid1094ba,public X-Google-Thread: 10d15b,328622178ec8b832 X-Google-Attributes: gid10d15b,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,a03ae7f4e53958e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,8775b19e3c68a5dc X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: steve Subject: Re: Which language pays most 17457 -- C++ vs. Java? Date: 1997/12/17 Message-ID: <34988B10.40F82420@seasoned-software.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 299512007 References: <199712121931.LAA25389@sirius.infonex.com> <349745D3.F4AA0460@seasoned-software.com> <34994D43.6858@ici.net> <01bd0c0b$53cc1860$26db45cf@juddesk> <67ccvl$iqj$1@darla.visi.com> To: Peter Seebach Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------31D32D01009BB90DC2E214FF" MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.misc,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.fortran,comp.lang.cobol,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.ada Date: 1997-12-17T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------31D32D01009BB90DC2E214FF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Seebach wrote: > In article <01bd0c0b$53cc1860$26db45cf@juddesk>, > Judson McClendon wrote: > >C is a *horrible* first language! If you actually think learning C as a > >first language makes it easier, then you are running around out in the weeds > >somewhere, looking for home. You either 1) don't know C, or 2) don't know > >anything else. Talking about the 'number of keywords' in C, as if that were > >the difficulty issue, is farcical! > > I dunno; I actually found C very easy to learn. When I was a kid, I could > read C, even though I never wrote any back then. It's *obvious*. > Either you don't know C, have seen little of it, or forget when you actually learned it. Pointers and & vs. && and | vs || are NOT obvious! There is NO direct correlation to any other language, and the only way to figure them out(other than LEARNING from some other source) is by trial and error on a computer! > >How are you going to teach them to input > >or output anything without getting into the standard functions? > > You're not. So? How are ou going to teach people to input or output > anything in basic without getting into "PRINT"? I think judd was saying that that lady was WRONG when she said that C only required 2 headers and a few routines. > >Many people have trouble abstracting their logic. > > Yes, and I doubt any of them will ever be successful or good programmers. But they MIGHT become good! Some ones that may be good might get scared by C! > I was raised by mathematicians; I always thought C was a very friendly > laguage. Maybe you are like one person I knew once. He was a great programmer AND blew away his whole highschool math department and club(even the teachers!)! His secret? His father was an engineer, and got him into science/math at a VERY early age! He might not be able to tell you where he learn to do binomial equations, etc.... *I* couldn't tell you when I learned to read schematics, etc.... If you are fully serious and correct about your understanding C, it was NOT because you figured it out by looking at it! > -s > -- > seebs@plethora.net -- I am not speaking for my employer. Copyright '97 > All rights reserved. This was not sent by my cat. C and Unix wizard - > send mail for help, or send money for a consultation. Visit my new ISP > --- More Net, Less Spam! Plethora . Net --------------31D32D01009BB90DC2E214FF Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for steve Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: steve n: ;steve org: SEASONED SOFTWARE email;internet: steve@seasoned-software.com note: notes would be here! x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: TRUE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------31D32D01009BB90DC2E214FF--