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From: rodemann@thales (Joerg Rodemann)
Subject: Re: Coding for Obscurity
Date: 1997/11/27
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Ron Natalie (ron@sensor.com) wrote:
> Leon Jones wrote:
> >  Ternary operators are horrendous and I avoid them at
> > all costs. 

> I wouldn't say that.  They are very useful.

> It's only when people don't use the result of the
> ternary expression, but rather rely on side effects
> that's egregious.

Well, maybe that is the point that disturbs me with the ? : expressions.
One of the examples given in a former post made quite sense although I
do not like these operators. Indeed, if used in a functional manner (no
side effects) they seem to be more readable than alternativ constructions
like "if ... else ...". Probably I saw to many occurences of these were 
everything was hidden behind side effects. Same is to be said about 
stand alone expressions like:
   a() || b();
Perhaps I developped kind of a distrust towards programmers and their
concerns about readability. *sigh* 

Regards

Joerg


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