From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID, PLING_QUERY,REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public From: Alan E & Carmel J Brain Subject: Re: How big is an int? (was: Yet another stupid language war (was: ... the only languages you need!!)) Date: 1997/11/23 Message-ID: <3478CE9F.3A5D@dynamite.com.au>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 291675639 References: <3474C1F0.365A@dynamite.com.au> <6527n9$340@mtinsc05.worldnet.att.net> <34767515.5253@dynamite.com.au> <654rr7$koh$1@helios.crest.nt.com> Organization: @home Reply-To: aebrain@dynamite.com.au Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++ Date: 1997-11-23T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Kaz Kylheku wrote: > I've heard variants on that theme; CS departments bowing to ``industry > pressure'' (rather than student demand) to start teaching C++ instead of, say, > Modula 2, C, or what have you. Seen it all before. Fortunately, when I was an Undergrad in 1976, Sydney University continued to teach in Pascal, and didn't bow to demand for COBOL instead. > I'd really like to see schools use languages like Ada or Eiffel to teach > introductory programming. In particular, Eiffel, with its organized support for > assertions. I'd prefer Ada over Eiffel, but this is one case where the argument really is religious, and a mere matter of opinion. I'd certainly be happy with Eiffel as a first language. As opposed to, say, Visual C++ 5.0, Visual C++ 4.3, CodeWarrior 10 C++, Turbo C++ 2.0 (all of which are about as different from each other as Ada-83 is from Ada-95 ). -- aebrain@dynamite.com.au <> <> How doth the little Crocodile | Alan & Carmel Brain| xxxxx Improve his shining tail? | Canberra Australia | xxxxxHxHxxxxxx _MMMMMMMMM_MMMMMMMMM abrain@cs.adfa.oz.au o OO*O^^^^O*OO o oo oo oo oo By pulling MAERKLIN Wagons, in 1/220 Scale