From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fdb77,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: Bob Horvath Subject: Re: Current Ada strengths - was Re: ADA SUCKS, C/C++/JAVA RULES!!!! Date: 1997/10/30 Message-ID: <345946D5.CF3E77FB@horvath.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 286084837 References: <34557f2b.1934172@news.mindspring.com> <635csg$2eu$1@news2.alpha.net> <635u6q$4tk$1@flood.weeg.uiowa.edu> <345881C4.640998A4@horvath.com> <34591453.0@news.eznet.net> Organization: EnterAct L.L.C. Turbo-Elite News Server Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.java.advocacy Date: 1997-10-30T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: David A. Frantz wrote: > Bob Horvath wrote in message <345881C4.640998A4@horvath.com>... > >Steve Ropa wrote: > > > >> On 28 Oct 1997, Robert S. White wrote: > >> > >> > Ada's current weak points, IMHO / IME, are in "wizard smart" GUI > >> > code generation. > >> > >> Personally, I would like to see less emphasis on wizards anyway. I have > >> had too many developers tell me they knew what they were doing, but when > I > >> took their wizards away, they were lost! > > > >I have often wondered the same thing. I head people talk about IDEs and > >coming from a vi/make environment, I wonder what I am missing, if anything. > >Perhaps these are two different things. > > > >It seems to me that if you know language, you don't need an IDE. And if > you > >need an IDE, then you don't know the language. > > > > An IDE in my opinion has nothing to do with knowing the language. An IDE > if successful should make the programmer more productive! Can't really > see the relationship of the user interface, wether a make/command line > environment or a fancy IDE, to knowing the lanquage. How do they make you more productive? I've never used one. I have seen CASE tools years ago that I thought were very unproductive. Perhaps I don't know what I am missing, but I can't imagine anything really helping out, except for something that might make building GUIs a little easier, but for the guts of an application, what do they buy you?