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From: "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <nospam@gsg.eds.com>
Subject: Re: An interesting quote on Java and C++
Date: 1997/09/24
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Robert Munck wrote:
> 
> On 3 Sep 1997 15:30:25 GMT, "Joachim Schroeer" <schroeer@amst.co.at>
> wrote:
> 
> >Possibly the Java designers never heard of Ada, ...
> 
> Heck, they never heard of (UCSD) Pascal.

I guess that they didn't mind their P (Systems) and Qs. ;-)

> >What can you expect by languages, that are "invented" by one or two
> >'Gurus'?
> 
> I have trouble with that, given the examples of Pascal,
> Modula, and AED. Maybe you put "Gurus" in quotes to indicate
> an awareness of the difference between the hacker-type Unix/EMACS/C
> expert and the truly wise, deep understanding of a Wirth or Ross.
> There is a lot to be said for the uniformity of a language developed
> by a single person from a single paradigm.

Well, since you mentioned Pascal, are you familiar with the issue of
conformant array parameters? The fact that all labels are integers? (One
of the worst features of Algol 60 was that it *allowed* integer labels,
but at least it didn't require them.) The hash it made of bit strings,
due to confusing "sets" with "sets of small integers"? The I/O model? 
IMHO the quotes around "guru" were earned.

I can think of languages designed by a singl individual that I respect,
but Wirth/Pascal isn't it.

> Bob Munck
> Mill Creek Systems LC

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                        Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
                        Senior Software SE

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