From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f43e6,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public X-Google-Thread: 107d55,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid107d55,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: Tim Ottinger Subject: Re: The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Date: 1997/09/15 Message-ID: <341D670B.DBF9E4AA@dave-world.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 272761287 References: <34023FC9.59E2B600@eiffel.com> <872652486.17137@dejanews.com> <5u0nil$atg@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> <5u3e63$8gn$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Newsgroups: comp.object,comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.java.tech,comp.lang.c++ Date: 1997-09-15T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: > - Better support for OOP? > Objective-C provided things like save/load for objects. So you consider saving and loading to be an OO aspect of programming? That's very unusual. I don't consider this to be an OO aspect at all, but a general programming need. Moreover, from an OO perspective, I personally find it distasteful for business objects to have anyknowledge of presentation or persistence. This even further created confusion over the idea of save/load methods in objects being OOP. Finally, I can have save/load methods in objects if I really wanted to. What does Objective-C add to ease the burden and support the aftermarket? I actually don't know, so this is a chance to explain or evangelize. Care to comment? I'd love to hear your perspective.