From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,995c28f68b9dc343 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 107d55,995c28f68b9dc343 X-Google-Attributes: gid107d55,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,995c28f68b9dc343 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,995c28f68b9dc343 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,995c28f68b9dc343 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,995c28f68b9dc343 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public From: Jeff Kotula Subject: Re: The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Date: 1997/09/02 Message-ID: <340C0D47.AF44474B@stratasys.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 269525491 References: <5u5m5b$7q6$1@news2.digex.net> <5ue2sn$32g$2@miranda.gmrc.gecm.com> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Organization: [poster's organization not specified] Newsgroups: comp.object,comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.java.tech,comp.lang.c++ Date: 1997-09-02T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Robert Dewar wrote: > Paul says > > < features, > it is a matter of doing a better job.>> > > Sure, but who judges what is a better job. The answer is that the only > > person who can judge is the consumer. [snip] This is too simplistic. Suppose a company markets and sells a particular software product for X dollars. Supporting that product must, minimally, cost less than X. To have a decent profit margin it has to cost way less than X. My point is that as a tool, programming languages must be effective in 1) creating subjectively "good" products, and 2) creating them so as to be maintainable and supportable at a (objectively) "low" cost. Technical superiority is related to the latter. Now, take a recursive step backward and realize that languages are themselves marketed products and that's where the real confusion comes from...