From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 107d55,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid107d55,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public From: Jay Martin Subject: Re: The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Date: 1997/08/31 Message-ID: <3409C03F.F2A17BD9@earthlink.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 269222856 References: <34023FC9.59E2B600@eiffel.com> <3404670B.C3A2C4A2@pagesmiths.com> <01bcb38a$8ddc1200$1c10d30a@ntwneil> <3405F547.9B50CB98@pagesmiths.com> <340823D5.221@dgb.nl> Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Newsgroups: comp.object,comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.java.tech,comp.lang.c++ Date: 1997-08-31T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Bert Bril wrote: > It's always the same story. People find themselves in a badly managed > environment with bad QA, bad Design, bad everything. And then, of > course, the language is to blame. Java may be the best choice for a lot > of situations. But the evaluation of whether it is the best should be > kept separated from these managerial problems. If you have no QA: make > sure you get that first. You'll not make good software using Java then, > either. I don't agree. Which tools are best is dependent on the environment. Bozo environments need special restricted tools that cater to their bozo natures. Its best not to give loaded guns to 3 year olds. Of course it is best not have have "bozo environments" but the incompetent programmers and managers in this (sewer) industry make that a pipe dream. Jay