From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,f66d11aeda114c52 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,f66d11aeda114c52 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: Ken Garlington Subject: Re: Critique of Ariane 5 paper (finally!) Date: 1997/08/29 Message-ID: <3406C3EE.63A4@flash.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 268912391 References: <33E503B3.3278@flash.net> <33E8FC54.41C67EA6@eiffel.com> <33E9B217.39DA@flash.net> <33EA5592.5855@flash.net> <33EB4935.167EB0E7@eiffel.com> <33EB754E.446B9B3D@eiffel.com> <33EBE46D.2149@flash.net> <33EF9487.41C67EA6@eiffel.com> <33F22B91.167EB0E7@eiffel.com> <33F7C3C0.446B9B3D@eiffel.com> <33FA748A.35FE@flash.net> <33FB3B29.41C67EA6@eiffel.com> <33FB41EC.2781E494@eiffel.com> <5tv9cs$85q@nntpa.cb.lucent.com> <340341CA.2F1CF0FB@eiffel.com> Organization: Flashnet Communications, http://www.flash.net Reply-To: Ken.Garlington@computer.org Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel Date: 1997-08-29T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Bertrand Meyer wrote: > > Kenneth Almquist wrote (only last part of message quoted): > > > This thread was started when Ken Garlington wrote a response to your > > article about the Ariane V. So far you have been unable or unwilling > > to respond to the arguments contained in Ken Garlington's response. > > That is incorrect. Jean-Marc Jezequel and I, plus many others > familiar with the ideas of Design by Contract, have responsed > repeatedly and in detail. Consult DejaNews for the record. Could you provide a specific item? I reviewed DejaNews for my response. I think it is fair to say that Jezequel and others have responsed in detail to the arguments in my response. > When the discussion turned to ad hominem arguments (that I > have a "vested interest", that our article was "advertising > puffery" and "position[ed] deceptively as a technical item > instead of an ad") and distortions of our views > (e.g. that we had claimed that "DBC Eiffel is > THE ONE method that could have found the Ariane 5 flaw"), > > I stopped, as there is no point in continuing in that mood. > > The arguments and counter-arguments are widely available > from the newsgroups and Web pages. > > -- > Bertrand Meyer, President, ISE Inc. > ISE Building, 2nd floor, 270 Storke Road, Goleta CA 93117 > 805-685-1006, fax 805-685-6869, > http://www.eiffel.com, with instructions for download Not that Mr. Meyer has a vested interest in Eiffel, of course :)