From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 107d55,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid107d55,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public From: "James P. White" Subject: Re: The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Date: 1997/08/28 Message-ID: <3405F202.8006B876@pagesmiths.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 268822859 References: <34023FC9.59E2B600@eiffel.com> <3404670B.C3A2C4A2@pagesmiths.com> <01bcb38a$8ddc1200$1c10d30a@ntwneil> Organization: Pagesmiths Newsgroups: comp.object,comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.java.tech,comp.lang.c++ Date: 1997-08-28T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Neil Wilson wrote: > > James P. White wrote in article > <3404670B.C3A2C4A2@pagesmiths.com>... > > Even though Java lacks anything as comprehensive as DBC, in our > > experience the simple matter of having automatic memory management and > > pointer protection has yielded a productivity boost of several hundred > > percent. > > Eiffel has had that for years, so your productivity boost is only over the > C languages. For the other several hundred percent you need to apply DBC, > even if only methodologically. Yes, you are quite right, I did not explain that I was comparing the experience with C and C++ using large commercial libraries for GUI, database, and communications. LISP has had those features too for nearly 40 years now and Smalltalk for 14 years. So obviously there is more to Java and its success than just those features. I personally have been using DBC and OO methodolgy for 16 years, so I already have those several hundred percent (which does have a good deal to do with my success in developing large and reliable systems). jim ----------------------------------------------------------------------- James P. White Netscape DevEdge Champion for IFC Director of Technology Adventure Online Gaming http://www.gameworld.com Developers of Gameworld -- Live Action Role-Playing and Strategic Games jim@pagesmiths.com Pagesmiths' home is http://www.pagesmiths.com