From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,INVALID_MSGID, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 107d55,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid107d55,public From: "Brett J. Stonier" Subject: Re: The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Date: 1997/08/28 Message-ID: <3405A268.71A8C313@brightwood.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 268763147 References: <34023FC9.59E2B600@eiffel.com> <872652486.17137@dejanews.com> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Reply-To: bretts@brightwood.com Organization: Bright Wood Corporation Newsgroups: comp.object,comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.java.tech,comp.lang.c++ Date: 1997-08-28T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Bruce - I can certainly appreciate you opinion. Although I like playing with it and see promise for it, I, too, do not think Java to be the end-all, be-all of development tools. And, yes, Sun is overhyping it for the wrong reasons. And, yes, it can be frustrating when technically superior products (especially ones you have an interest in, like one in which you have programming experience) do not win out over inferior products that have better marketing. I have a good degree of programming experience in SQLWindows, for example. SQLWhat? "Oh, its like Powerbuilder or (shudder) VB, but much better." :-) Nowadays, its pretty much dead. :-( However, from a fairly unbias observer's standpoint on these Eiffel vs. Java threads, I am saying that the Eiffel proponents are taking the wrong approach. Most of the threads have been kicked off by posts by Meyer, who presents an arrogant, condescending attititude towards Java. When you insult Java like that you are insulting Java programmers and creating resentment towards yourself. I went into these posts fairly neutral, with a positive image of both Java and Eiffel, and came out turned off towards Eiffel. I believe this is the exact opposite of the effect that is desired. If this is the marketing approach that will be used, let's learn a bit from these technological history lessons everyone's been presenting, and seal the fate of Eiffel right now. Brett S. http://www.mtjeff.com/~calvin/devhbook