From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FROM_ADDR_WS, INVALID_MSGID,REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,d24e07f660698f1 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,d24e07f660698f1 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,d24e07f660698f1 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,d24e07f660698f1 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public From: Ian Nelson <"Ian Nelson"> Subject: Re: Why I didn't like Eiffel Date: 1997/08/02 Message-ID: <33E35DE9.18F1@ibm.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 261733760 References: <33C61545.167EB0E7@tower.com> <01bc94e6$9ced0820$287b7b7a@tlo2> <5rnioj$pgq@camel3.mindspring.com> Organization: CMU student/IBM employee for now Reply-To: bonovo1@ibm.net Newsgroups: comp.software-eng,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.ada Date: 1997-08-02T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Glenn Williamson wrote: > > On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Brian Kimball wrote: > > > What IDE or compiler did you use? When? > > I used two different packages. The first was Unix based, I think it was > called ISE Eiffel, v3.x.x. The main gripes with this package were : > > 1) It took nearly 30 minutes to compile a simple 'Hello World'!!! > This was at a 'GooD TimE' too .... If the Uni computers were > congested at any time, say, close to an assignment being due, > then it may take twice as long. > > 2) The size of the executable on this particular system was > enormous. 'Hello World' came in at over 3Mb!!! Thankfully, this > problem was solved by SysProgs at the Uni midway thru semester. > > The second package I used was Windows Based. It was the commercial version > of ISE Eiffel, which I ran on my PC at home, was far better. MY gripe with > this package, was that it didnt leave me an executable, and it didnt come > with any graphic libraries .... ( and I couldnt have been bothered going > out looking for any! ) > > Don't get me wrong, I dont hate Eiffel with a vengeance, I just found that > the particular system I used didnt suit me at all ... I prefer getting > down amongst it all in C or C++, rather than being constrained by Eiffel . > > M00z, > Glenn > > P.S. I used it in the first semester of this year .... On a sort of unrelated issue.. Does anyone know if anybody is writing an Eiffel front-end for the Gnu compiler yet? It is on the to-do list but I've not heard of any projects. At the very least it would make the Ada vs. Eiffel debate a little more entertaining if some of the Eiffel folks stepped up to the challenge.