From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,INVALID_MSGID, LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fd6dd,c78177ec2e61f4ac X-Google-Attributes: gidfd6dd,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,c78177ec2e61f4ac X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: Ken Garlington Subject: Re: ada and robots Date: 1997/06/16 Message-ID: <33A56EBE.748C@lmco.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 248843552 References: <338CDA96.53EA@halcyon.com> <338F5D7D.6C03@tiac.net> <338F9D05.5EB3@bix.com> <5mqpj3$bc5$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> <33930245.12A1@sprintmail.com> <5mv984$7kn@news.emi.com> <01bc7132$11100fa0$4c0b6dce@my-pc.neosoft.com> Organization: Lockheed Martin Tactical Aircraft Systems Newsgroups: comp.robotics.misc,comp.lang.ada Date: 1997-06-16T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Joe Gwinn wrote: > > > > I would also comment that DoD's recent recinding of the Ada Mandate will > > > likely cause the Ada compiler and tools market to shrink to perhaps as > > > little as one tenth of its prior size, and that significant added > > > investment in Ada compilers and tools is therefore unlikely, at least > > > until the size of the remaining market becomes clear. > > > > The Hon. Sec. Paige has said that -- in contrast to rescinding the policy > > -- it will follow the board's recommendation to fund the $15 million for > > infrastructure. > > So he's flip-flopped? I saw his previous missive, a week or two ago, and > it was quite clear. These words? ....................................................................... From: "Paige, Emmett Jr., , OSD/C3I +" To: LTC Drew Hamilton Subject: Re: FW: Reason for Mr. Paige's Decision Unclear Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:10:00 -0500 THANK GOD , THIS IS AMERICA. THE BUCK STOPS HERE . I HAVE TRIED EVERY ROUTE ONE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE TO HAVE FOLKS RUN WITH ADA SINCE 1979 WHEN I FIRST GOT INVOLVED. THE MANDATES HAVE NOT WORKED FOR WEAPON SYSTEMS,C3I SYSTEMS OR OUR BUSINESS SYSTEMS. IT HAS ONLY WORKED WHERE I PERSONALLY DECIDED TO FORCE THE ACTION SUCH AS WITH STANFINS-REDESIGN AND SIDPERS III AS FAR AS MAJOR SYSTEMS I WAS ASSOCIATED WITH ARE CONCERNED. I AM VERY SATISFIED AND COMFORTABLE WITH THE ELIMINATION OF THE MANDATE. WE WILL CONTUNIE TO SUPPORT THE ADA EFFORT TO THE TUNE THAT THE NRC RECOMMENDED OF APPROX $15MIL PER YEAR. THAT SHOULD BE EVIDENT THAT OUR INTEREST STILL EXISTS IN ADA. ....................................................................... > Actually, he cannot call his words back at this > point; the writing is on the wall. If you were the product manager for an > ada compiler, wouldn't this stop you in your tracks, afraid to invest more > money, until the smoke cleared? The very fact that the future of the > mandate is questioned in public and at that level of the DoD is the > story. This, of course, implies that DoD contractors choose Ada because it is mandated. In fact, as Mr. Paige notes above, the mandate may in fact have worked _against_ adoption in some areas. I am currently working on a DoD contract with no language requirement; we still use Ada. I think if we and other DoD contractors stop using Ada, then Ada vendors should be concerned, but so long as there is a viable customer base, I expect there will be an Ada vendor base to support it. > If not today, what of tomorrow? The mandate's days are numbered. > Will it last long enough for a new investment to be recovered? A > gut-wrenching question. Product mamgers get to bet their careers on such > questions. Product managers who cannot survive the removal of Government mandates have more problems than choosing languages, now that we are in the age of acquisition reform. Their "gut-wrenching question" is to decide whether they should be working at McDonalds or Burger King :) > > Joe Gwinn -- LMTAS - The Fighter Enterprise - "Our Brand Means Quality" Who uses Ada? See http://www.lmasc.lmco.com/f22 For job listings, other info: http://www.lmtas.com or http://www.lmco.com