From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,INVALID_MSGID, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1014db,1042f393323e22da X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,1042f393323e22da X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,1042f393323e22da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: Spaceman Spiff Subject: Re: Off topic response to an off topic message--> was:Re: Software Engineering and Dreamers Date: 1997/06/03 Message-ID: <3394E51B.7A5A@flash.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 247124571 References: <5m57nu$7si@bcrkh13.bnr.ca><5mcp5o$ei7$3@news.cc.ucf.edu> <5md1fl$9f4@bcrkh13.bnr.ca><5mmvgj$61k@squire.cen.brad.ac.uk> <01bc7042$609289e0$cb61e426@DCorbit.solutionsiq.com> <33947E2F.3F1A31A7@fuller.com> <5n2csg$1c6@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> Organization: Me!! Reply-To: csweber@flash.net Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.ada Date: 1997-06-03T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Craig Franck wrote: > "H. Blakely Williford" wrote: > >the way the particles in the upper atmosphere refract the light? > > You are not helping the cause any. Color arises from how are brains > process light, and does not exist independently of our perceiving it. Sorry, Craig, you got this wrong. Light of different colors is light of different frequencies. The frequency of light emitted by some atom, does, in fact, exist independent of our brains. It's called hertz. Using your argument, only the word "color" is dependent upon out brains to interpret it (as you point out below). > Because of this, it is clearly only in our minds even more than math > is. I think Mr. Goats point can be made clearer once you realize that > math is about symbols and how you can transform them into one another. > "2 + 2 = 4" seems to be expressing a relationship of some sort that > exists externally in nature, but what it means and how we interpret > is actually quite close to how we process langauge. You wouldn't say > English exists in nature, and is not solely the product of our brains, > just because you can point to a big leafy green thing and say "tree". > It is not like the word "tree" was laying about, just waiting to be > discovered, any more than the symbol "2" was. In this sense (and in > many others as well) math is a product of our brains. > > -- > Craig > clfranck@worldnet.att.net > Manchester, NH > I don't pretend to understand the universe, it is > a great deal bigger than I am. -- Thomas Carlyle