From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 109fba,1042f393323e22da X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,1042f393323e22da X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,1042f393323e22da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: Jeff Carter Subject: Re: Software Engineering is not a hoax... (was Re: Any research putting c above ada?) Date: 1997/05/23 Message-ID: <33859489.7FB8@spam.innocon.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 243314920 References: <5lsjb3$bqc@bcrkh13.bnr.ca> Organization: Wouldn't You Like to Know, Inc. Reply-To: carter@spam.innocon.com Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.ada Date: 1997-05-23T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Robert I. Eachus wrote: > > In article <5lsjb3$bqc@bcrkh13.bnr.ca> kaz@vision.crest.nt.com (Kaz Kylheku) writes: > > > I would go as far as saying that ``software engineering'' is a hoax. > > Huh? > > > Developing a correct program is much more akin to theorem proving than > > engineering activity... > > Ah, programming is not software engineering. Software engineering > is all that other stuff which successful projects do that results in > projects being successful. [Excellent example deleted.] I find that programming and software engineering are often confused, even by those who teach them. Anyone can learn to program, but only about 2% can become software engineers (in my experience). This is not a problem in and of itself. But I find that many organizations think that anyone who can program is qualified to specify requirements, architect and design software, and so on. That is a problem. I also find that many organizations expect a new graduate to be able to do these things "out of the box." The same organizations expect to have to train new graduate engineers in other disciplines for a year or more before they can do the equivalent. -- Jeff Carter PGP:1024/440FBE21 Auntie-spam reply-to; try ( carter @ innocon . com ) "Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time." Monty Python & the Holy Grail