From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,INVALID_MSGID, PLING_QUERY,PP_MIME_FAKE_ASCII_TEXT,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 103376,53f1f03353d5ae00 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: mrbunny@mail.zynet.co.uk Subject: Re: STUDENTS GO AWAY!!!!!!!?????? Date: 1997/04/25 Message-ID: <33612b9e.7623298@news>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 237375895 References: <335bdd1b.5485893@news> <5jidr2$s8e@acmey.gatech.edu> Organization: Zynet Ltd Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: 1997-04-25T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Thank you all very much for your responses, particularly to Mr Dewar who has also taken the time for a few "off air" discussions. Unfortunately many assumptions have been made about students. Yes there are some that would post in at the drop of a hat but a very unfair assumption has been made that "all" students are lazy and unresourceful. Saying "If all students....." condemns us all to the bottom of the heap and does not remotely provide a true picture of the range of personalities that exist within the maligned collective "students" In my experience of two university courses lazy students are the minority. I believe that time constrained examinations (in my case a 3 hour program modification task sitting at the terminal) are still a crucial part of most technical courses, and therefore students are well aware that they must develop a proper "learning process" to fully understand their subject. Contrary to the the implications being made that "all" students are lazy and unresourceful, in todays economic climate many students work very hard to cope with both financial and academic pressures. My "negative" response to being told not to post to the group arose from the sweeping assumption (yes another one!) that my simple question was evidence of my unresourcefulness and lack of understanding of the learning process. I had in fact looked through my course notes, through text books, and through sample programs and not found what I was looking for. The simple reason being that what I was looking for did not exist A single command for deleting one record from an array. I now understand that the method is to move all records above that to be deleted down one level, an idea I was toying with. But with the manipulation of arrays being so commonplace I could not believe that there was not a simple command I had overlooked to perform this. Also if you consider yourself to be an intelligent resourceful person it hurts to be told you cant talk to someone because you are not an intelligent resourceful person. I am now 39 years old. I left school with only low level qualifications but despite that I rose to director level of a recruitment company turning over �3 million p.a. I own two houses, and the mortgage is paid on one of them. (The recession and stress led me into computing) So to be labelled as someone lacking in resourcefulness and having no understanding of the learning process is dissappointing, to say the least. More than 25% of the UK student population are over 25yrs old. They are usually like myself, looking for a career change, often they are single parents raising children as well as studying. These are very resourceful people. So you see, this concept that students are so unresourceful that given half a chance they will "all" post into the newsgroup for each and every assignment question is ridiculous! We are being discouraged from the group as a result of a fears based on little hard evidence. Fears based on assumptions. Mark