From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,INVALID_MSGID, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,dad65365cb2b3396 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,dad65365cb2b3396 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,bdaddde464f6e704,start X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,dad65365cb2b3396 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,dad65365cb2b3396 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,bdaddde464f6e704,start X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public From: cjames3@ibm.net (The Rt Rev'd Colin James III, KOTM 1/96) Subject: Re: The disturbing myth of Eiffel portability Date: 1996/11/17 Message-ID: <32b09c4c.252526073@news2.ibm.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 197104519 references: <3294e64b.74799475@news2.ibm.net> content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii organization: CEC Services, LLC mime-version: 1.0 reply-to: cjames3@ibm.net (The Rt Rev'd Colin James III, KOTM 1/96) newsgroups: comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.object,comp.software-eng Date: 1996-11-17T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Eoin Woods is deluded in the article quoted below. Almost all banks still do most of their processing in COBOL. All new development in US banks with European branches is in C++ back end and many front ends (none in Eiffel that I know of). This is partly due to C with its silly pointers not scaling well and mostly due to floating point problems at run time in C. Case in point: one of the 10-largest US banks with European branches just killed a 5 year old derivatives project in C, fired everyone involved, and wrote off $25 MM. (Case in point: that's yet another example of C hackers, such as Eoin, banging on Un*x boxes.) The same vice-president at that bank also told me that they are not interested at all in CALfp's "laughable" Rainbow derivative's project in Eiffel "because it's still in C" and "those bozos in France still haven't learned about C yet". While none of the banks above are The Nancy Bank of Watford, Hertfordshire, UK, please tell the readers here, Eoin [sic], did you "consult" there too? ---------------- From: Eoin@copse.demon.co.uk (Eoin Woods) Newsgroups: comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.object Subject: Re: The disturbing myth of Eiffel portability Date: Sun, 17 Nov 96 16:42:18 GMT Organization: At Home Lines: 15 Message-ID: <848248938snz@copse.demon.co.uk> References: <3294e64b.74799475@news2.ibm.net> Reply-To: Eoin@copse.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: Eoin@copse.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: copse.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Xref: news.fortnet.org comp.lang.eiffel:303 comp.lang.ada:1172 comp.lang.c:4668 comp.lang.c++:5720 In article <3294e64b.74799475@news2.ibm.net> cjames3@ibm.net "The Rt Rev'd Colin James III, KOTM 1/96" writes: > In other words, the reason that banks generally have learned to avoid C due > to floating point problems is not solved at all but rather propagated and > worsened by the questionable strategic decision to adopt Eiffel. This is abolute rubbish! (As usual from CJIII). I work (as a consultant) at banks a LOT - they ALL use C as a mainstream development language (whether or not they *should* is a different question!) Eoin. -- Eoin Woods, Watford, Hertfordshire, WD1 1PD, UK Email: Eoin@copse.demon.co.uk ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Re-usable, patented financial software for business and banks Colin James III, Principal Scientist www.cec-services.com CEC Services, LLC, 1613 Morning Dr, Loveland, CO 80538-4410 Telephone lines: Voice 970.622.0466; Facsimile: 970.622.0177 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~