From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 109fba,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public From: Eirik Mangseth Subject: Re: OO, C++, and something much better! Date: 1997/01/30 Message-ID: <32F07A37.7F9A@online.no>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 213196960 references: <32E999AE.2F68@parcplace.com> <32edc09c.3000098@nntp.interaccess.com> <5cio7f$brk$1@news.nyu.edu> content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii organization: United Consultants A/S mime-version: 1.0 reply-to: emangset@online.no newsgroups: comp.object,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.eiffel x-mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Date: 1997-01-30T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Robert Dewar wrote: > > Richard Kenner said > > "I've heard nobody claim that *testing* is a bad idea. The claim, with > which I agree, is that *reliance* on testing is a bad idea. There's a > very large difference between those claims." > > Nicely and clearly put! Really the problem is premature reliance on > testing. A lot of programmers never even seem to read their code, except > in the context of testing and debugging. This means of course that they > read only the code that testing digs up problems with, and the code and > logic paths that do not get fully tested (testing can almost never be > 100% complete in real life programs, since the range of inputs is too > large), are never read by anyone. I believe E. Dijkstra put it quite nicely when he said: "Testing can only show the presence of bugs, not prove their abscence" A rather important statement to keep in mind, don't you think. Eirik M. / Eirik Mangseth United Consultants A/S, Norway Office ema@unitedconsultants.com "Quality Software Through Quality People" (TM) emangset@online.no /