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From: Eric Clayberg <clayberg@parcplace.com>
Subject: Re: OO, C++, and something much better!
Date: 1997/01/27
Date: 1997-01-27T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <32ED2448.685A@parcplace.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5buodl$bci@boursy.news.erols.com


David Hanley wrote:
> Baloney boomerang.  You've made dozens of counterintuitive claims for
> dynamic typing( smalltalk in particular ) and supported zero of them.

Counterintuitive to who? To someone who knows little about Smalltalk? To
you maybe? A quick scan of the varied responses in this thread indicate
that for quite a few people, these "claims" are quite intuitive and
match their own real world experiences. It is the claim that Smalltalk
is somehow less reliable than statically typed languages that I have
seen zero support for (other than conjecture and innuendo).

> In fact, people on the static typing 'side' of the issue, such as Fergus
> Henderson, have provided good data with compelling arguemnts for static
> typing.

He certainly presented some data. It wasn't very clear that it provided
much support for static typing, however. In fact, his numbers
(especially the variety of errors that he ran into) only served to make
me (and, I imagine, most of the other Smalltalk developers in this
thread) quite happy that I was using Smalltalk (in which, as was pointed
out in response to his numbers, most of those errors couldn't occur).

> A good proof would be there the set of errors which can happen in a
> statically typed system, as opposed to a dynamically typed syatem, are
> fewer.  This is a very simple arguemnt.

OK, then, back it up. So far, *you* haven't *proven* anything. The above
is yet another unsubstantiated claim that statically typed systems are
somehow more reliable than dynamically typed systems. Show me some proof
that Smalltalk is somehow less reliable for building applications than
any arbitrary statically typed language.

In fact, I would very much like to see the above list of potential
errors (and your guess as to how frequently they might occur). Having
used several different statically typed languages over the years as well
as Smalltalk, my experience (and that of many of the folks contributing
to this discussion) is that the Smalltalk-based systems are usually much
more reliable in practice.

-Eric




  parent reply	other threads:[~1997-01-27  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 467+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-01-16  0:00 OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-01-17  0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-16  0:00   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-17  0:00     ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-17  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-17  0:00         ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-18  0:00           ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-17  0:00             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-20  0:00               ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-19  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-20  0:00                   ` David Hanley
1997-01-21  0:00                     ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-22  0:00                       ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                         ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-23  0:00                         ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-20  0:00                   ` Bill Gooch
1997-01-20  0:00                   ` Graham Hughes
1997-01-21  0:00                     ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-21  0:00                       ` Marc Robertson
1997-01-24  0:00                         ` Mark Windholtz
1997-01-27  0:00                           ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
     [not found]                             ` <32EE2FEE.62FE@p <32EE8415.2F5B@netright.com>
1997-01-28  0:00                               ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-29  0:00                                   ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00                         ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` David L. Shang
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Black box or white box (Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) David L. Shang
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` OO, C++, and something much better! Jun Nolasco
1997-01-21  0:00                       ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-22  0:00                       ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                         ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-22  0:00                           ` Graham Hughes
1997-01-23  0:00                             ` Mark Woodruff
1997-01-23  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                               ` Claus Reinke
1997-01-25  0:00                                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-25  0:00                                   ` Lawrence G. Mayka
1997-01-25  0:00                                   ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-28  0:00                                   ` Claus Reinke
1997-01-24  0:00                               ` Don Harrison
1997-01-24  0:00                                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                                   ` Don Harrison
1997-01-24  0:00                             ` Richard A. O'Keefe
     [not found]                               ` <E4voIF.86o@world.std.com>
1997-02-12  0:00                                 ` Ulf Schuenemann
1997-01-23  0:00                           ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-25  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-23  0:00                           ` Robb Nebbe
1997-01-23  0:00                             ` David Hanley
1997-01-25  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-24  0:00                           ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-24  0:00                             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-26  0:00                             ` Fergus Henderson
     [not found]                             ` <32E9BAAC. <5ce8t3$6gv@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
1997-01-28  0:00                               ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` Alan Knight
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-29  0:00                             ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-24  0:00                           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-01-25  0:00                         ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Rolf Breuning
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Ed Shirk
1997-01-22  0:00                   ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-25  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Samuel S. Shuster
1997-01-27  0:00                       ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-30  0:00                           ` Eirik Mangseth
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Jun Nolasco
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` David Hanley
1997-01-29  0:00                             ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-30  0:00                           ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-27  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-29  0:00                             ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-02-08  0:00                   ` Robin Rosenberg
1997-01-25  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` Dennis Smith
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg [this message]
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                   ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00                   ` Jacqueline U. Robertson
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` David Hanley
1997-01-30  0:00                     ` Robert C. Martin
     [not found]                       ` <5cr068$gpa@uni.library.ucla.edu>
1997-06-27  0:00                         ` David Shang
1997-06-28  0:00                           ` Ronald E Jeffries
1997-06-28  0:00                           ` Mike Stark
1997-06-29  0:00                           ` Mike Anderson
1997-06-29  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30  0:00                               ` Kohler Markus
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Luther Hampton
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Rolf Breuning
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-20  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-19  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` James O'Connor
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` George Wolke
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Stanley R. Allen
1997-01-30  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-19  0:00             ` Soren Skogstad Nielsen
1997-01-20  0:00             ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-26  0:00               ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Multiple Type Interfaces Jon S Anthony
1997-01-28  0:00               ` Dave Gibson
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00               ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` david scott gibson
1997-01-28  0:00                   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` david scott gibson
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` david scott gibson
1997-01-21  0:00             ` OO, C++, and something much better! Matthew S. Whiting
1997-01-21  0:00             ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-01-22  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                   ` Combining dynamic and static typing Don Harrison
1997-01-24  0:00                     ` Erik M. Buck
     [not found]                       ` <01bc0b21$6a8293e0$7df2ad80@wkst01.milagro.austin.tx.us>
1997-01-25  0:00                         ` Nathan M. Urban
1997-01-28  0:00                           ` David L. Shang
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` Nathan M. Urban
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` David L. Shang
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` Russ McClelland
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` Luther Hampton
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` Marc De Scheemaecker
     [not found]                             ` <5d0efr$meb@news.xmission.com>
1997-02-09  0:00                               ` daniel damian burden
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` David L. Shang
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` David L. Shang
1997-01-23  0:00                   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Don Harrison
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` John Woods
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-24  0:00                   ` Andy Bower
1997-01-25  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                       ` William Clodius
1997-01-25  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                       ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-26  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-22  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-22  0:00                   ` John Kuszewski
1997-01-23  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1997-01-23  0:00                       ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-23  0:00                       ` Travis Griggs
1997-01-24  0:00                     ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-24  0:00             ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` Felix Beer
1997-01-28  0:00               ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Del Archer
1997-01-24  0:00             ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-24  0:00             ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` James O'Connor
1997-01-26  0:00                     ` TanselErsavas
1997-01-26  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                           ` Antoine Trux
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` Bob Haugen
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Larry J. Elmore
1997-01-26  0:00                     ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                     ` TanselErsavas
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Samuel S. Shuster
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` David Hanley
1997-01-27  0:00             ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00               ` OO, C++, and more and more useless arguments! Robert C. Martin
1997-01-28  0:00             ` OO, C++, and something much better! Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-28  0:00             ` Al Christians
1997-01-29  0:00             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-21  0:00             ` Chris Bitmead
1997-02-21  0:00             ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-02-21  0:00               ` Brian Rogoff
1997-02-24  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-24  0:00               ` Brian Rogoff
1997-02-25  0:00                 ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-01-21  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-22  0:00             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00               ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-24  0:00                 ` traymond
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` traymond
1997-01-24  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Tim Ottinger
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Ted Dennison
1997-01-25  0:00                 ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Brian Rogoff
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Reflection in Ada (was: Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-01-30  0:00                       ` OO, C++, and something much better! Tim Ottinger
1997-01-23  0:00               ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Richie Bielak
1997-01-23  0:00                 ` Bill Gooch
1997-01-23  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                   ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-24  0:00                     ` Eirik Mangseth
     [not found]                     ` <32E85588.1978@parcplace.com>
1997-01-26  0:00                       ` Paul Perkins
1997-01-26  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` John Gale
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-28  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                   ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-23  0:00                     ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-24  0:00                       ` Robb Nebbe
1997-01-25  0:00                         ` OO, C++, and something much better! David N. Smith
1997-01-24  0:00                       ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Richie Bielak
1997-01-24  0:00                         ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-24  0:00                           ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-27  0:00                             ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-01-25  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Defintion, again, was Re: Static vs. Dynamic typing again David L. Shang
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Fergus Henderson
1997-02-09  0:00                               ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-10  0:00                                 ` Matt Kennel
1997-02-14  0:00                                   ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-15  0:00                       ` Pieter Schoenmakers
1997-02-16  0:00                         ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-23  0:00                     ` Rolf Breuning
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Jun Nolasco
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Mark Windholtz
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Alan Knight
1997-02-08  0:00                 ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something mu Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-23  0:00             ` OO, C++, and something much better! James O'Connor
1997-01-29  0:00               ` Stanley R. Allen
1997-01-30  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-27  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-19  0:00       ` Keith Thompson
1997-01-22  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1997-01-23  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-24  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1997-01-27  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-29  0:00             ` "(Sub)type" -safety Don Harrison
1997-01-29  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-30  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-23  0:00       ` OO, C++, and something much better! Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-20  0:00   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-01-24  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-26  0:00   ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-27  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-27  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-28  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-29  0:00   ` Stephen J Bevan
1997-01-21  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-22  0:00   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-01-27  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-27  0:00       ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-28  0:00         ` Travis Griggs
1997-01-28  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28  0:00       ` Russ McClelland
1997-01-27  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00   ` John Woods
1997-01-22  0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-24  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29  0:00   ` Multiple Type Interfaces Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-25  0:00 ` OO, C++, and something much better! James O'Connor
1997-01-26  0:00   ` Lawrence G. Mayka
1997-01-26  0:00     ` James O'Connor
1997-01-25  0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-25  0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-02-07  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-07  0:00   ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-12  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-13  0:00       ` Alan Lovejoy
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1997-02-14  0:00           ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-16  0:00             ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-16  0:00               ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-17  0:00                 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-13  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-13  0:00       ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-18  0:00         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-19  0:00           ` William Clodius
1997-02-19  0:00             ` Mike Klein
1997-02-19  0:00           ` Mike Klein
1997-02-19  0:00           ` richard
1997-02-15  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-16  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-16  0:00   ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Dave Schaumann
1997-02-19  0:00       ` Anders Pytte
1997-02-16  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-02-18  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-20  0:00       ` Matt Kennel
1997-02-20  0:00         ` Anders Pytte
1997-02-17  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-17  0:00   ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-17  0:00   ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-19  0:00     ` David L. Shang
1997-02-21  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-24  0:00       ` David L. Shang
1997-02-25  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-17  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-19  0:00       ` Mike Klein
1997-02-17  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-18  0:00   ` Bernard Badger
1997-02-18  0:00   ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Jon S Anthony
1997-02-18  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-21  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-24  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-25  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-23  0:00   ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Richard Katz
1997-02-24  0:00     ` David L. Shang
1997-02-25  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-02-25  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-27  0:00     ` Clayton Weaver
1997-02-25  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-26  0:00   ` Mike Klein
1997-02-25  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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1997-01-08  0:00 Sazonov Cyril
1997-01-11  0:00 ` Bjarne Stroustrup
1997-01-01  0:00 What is wrong with OO ? Jon S Anthony
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1997-01-03  0:00   ` Eirik Mangseth
1997-01-03  0:00     ` What is wrong with OO O X g Greg Comeau
1997-01-04  0:00       ` OO, C++, and something much better! John (Max) Skaller
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1997-01-05  0:00         ` Mike Anderson
1997-01-06  0:00         ` Chris Brand
1997-01-06  0:00         ` Stanley Allen
1997-01-09  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-08  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-09  0:00   ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-01-27  0:00     ` Richard Riehle
1997-01-10  0:00   ` Robb Nebbe
1997-01-10  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-04  0:00 ` Pieter Schoenmakers
1997-01-06  0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-01-06  0:00   ` Michael F Brenner
1997-01-06  0:00     ` Tucker Taft
1997-01-07  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-08  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-07  0:00   ` Andrew Koenig
1997-01-10  0:00     ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-07  0:00   ` Jay Martin
1997-01-08  0:00     ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-08  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-08  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-09  0:00         ` Ted Dennison
1997-01-12  0:00   ` Richard Riehle
1997-01-07  0:00 ` Stanley Allen
1997-01-07  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-07  0:00     ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-01-08  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-08  0:00       ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-10  0:00     ` Keith Thompson
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-15  0:00         ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-15  0:00           ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-20  0:00           ` Andrew Koenig
1997-01-25  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-15  0:00       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-01-08  0:00 ` Kohler Markus
1997-01-08  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-08  0:00   ` Mark A Biggar
1997-01-09  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Roy Phillips
1997-01-27  0:00         ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-28  0:00           ` matthew mclellan
1997-01-09  0:00   ` Don Harrison
1997-01-09  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Bart Samwel
1997-01-10  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-13  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1997-01-13  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-14  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1997-01-13  0:00         ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-13  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-13  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-15  0:00             ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-17  0:00               ` Keith Thompson
1997-01-16  0:00             ` Keith Thompson
1997-01-16  0:00               ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-14  0:00           ` Michael F Brenner
1997-01-14  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1997-01-10  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-13  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1997-01-13  0:00         ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-15  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1997-01-13  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1997-01-14  0:00           ` Jeff Carter
1997-01-15  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1997-01-17  0:00               ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-17  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-18  0:00           ` Patrick Doyle
1997-01-20  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-08  0:00 ` David Emery
1997-01-09  0:00   ` Don Harrison
1997-01-10  0:00     ` Marky Mark
1997-01-14  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1997-01-10  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-10  0:00 ` Matt Austern
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