From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 109fba,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public From: James O'Connor Subject: Re: OO, C++, and something much better! Date: 1997/01/26 Message-ID: <32EB7644.2A9D@jmpstart.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 212339797 references: <5buodl$bci@boursy.news.erols.com> <32E2FEC7.2F7B@concentric.net> <6PE5zLpF3RB@herold.franken.de> <32E8DC1C.4871@rase.com> <6PUKuJvV3RB@herold.franken.de> <32EA52FA.1CF9@jmpstart.com> <32ebd0b1.17673570@news.sprynet.com> to: "Lawrence G. Mayka" content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii organization: JumpStart Systems mime-version: 1.0 reply-to: joconnor@jmpstart.com newsgroups: comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.object x-mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Date: 1997-01-26T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Lawrence G. Mayka wrote: > > James O'Connor wrote: > > >Joachim Durchholz wrote: > > >> Tansel wrote: > > >> > For starters, most Smalltalks and their tools are ridiculously > >> > expensive. This is equivalent for the vendors to shooting themselves in > >> > the foot, at the same time hitting us with the richocet. > > >> Seems to be a general problem. Obviously this is one of the worst market > >> barriers for new languages: Market is small, so prices have to be high to > >> make a living from them, so market remains small. > >> On the other hand, this has saved us from countless language wars, so > >> maybe this vicious circle is a godsend... > > > >I think this is coming around. PPD has Smalltalk Express. I know both > >Dolphin (http://www.intuitive.co.uk) and SmalltalkMT > >(http://www.objectconnect.com) have very low priced Smalltalk products > >in the works. Dolphin intriques me because of the Smalltalk Applet > >plug-in available. SmalltalkMT looks cool because it produces very > >small, fast executables. > > And now Cincom is offering ObjectStudio > (http://www.cincom.com/objectstudio) for less than $100. > ObjectStudio's apparent advantage is that of a full-featured, mature > development environment with full Win32 compliance at the lowest price > of any commercial implementation. Thanks, didn't mean to slight the Cincom people. ObjectStudio's been around for awhile (from the V-MARK days), but I've never used it myself. It appears to me that everyrthing from shrink-wrapped or small shareware apps all the way up to huge distributed apps is possible within the range of Smalltalk implementations. The price scale is there. > > Lawrence G. Mayka > lgmayka@sprynet.com -- James O'Connor -------------------------------------- joconnor@jmpstart.com http://www.jmpstart.com --------------------------------------