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From: Alan Lovejoy <alovejoy@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: OO, C++, and something much better!
Date: 1997/01/24
Date: 1997-01-24T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <32E9BAAC.29C7@concentric.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5caqo5$k5l@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU


Fergus Henderson wrote:
> 
> Eric Clayberg <clayberg@parcplace.com> writes:
> 
> >Fergus Henderson wrote:
> >> My experience is that errors caught by type checking constitute a LOT
> >> more than 2% of errors.
> >> For a period of time I carefully recorded the cause of every error that
> >> I found while writing a Mercury program.  Of the 155 errors that I
> >> recorded, 73 were error caught by the type checker.
> 
> While reexamining my list, I noticed that I had accidentally
> misclassified one class of errors containing 3 errors, so the number 73
> above should have been 70.  Sorry about that.
> 
> >If anything, I think that reflects poorly on the syntax of whatever
> >language you were using.
> 
> Some (14) of those 70 errors were related to the syntax, but most of
> them were errors such as "wrong number of arguments", "wrong procedure
> name", and so forth, that could occur in just about any language.  Note
> that the number 70 does *not* include errors in the type declarations
> themselves; there were an additional 13 of those.
> 
> Here's a more detailed breakdown.

To which I wish to add some comments and analysis:

>         syntax errors: 16
>         type errors: 83
>                 - errors in type declarations: 13

Doesn't apply to Smalltalk.

>                 - type errors other than errors in type declarations: 70
>                         - syntax related: 14		
May or may not apply to Smalltalk.  Can't
tell without more specifics.  I assume that
this does not apply to Smalltalk, or that
the Smalltalk compiler would catch this sort 
of error just as well as in a statically-typed 
language.

>                         - wrong procedure name: 11

The Smalltalk compiler will complain when you compile
a method that sends a message with no implementors.
So this would only apply to those cases where the
"wrong" name matched that of some other method.
I would assume that all such errors out of 11 would be 
caught by the Smalltalk compiler (about 99% would be
caught overall).

>                         - wrong constant name: 4
>                         - wrong variable name: 4

Were these "wrong" names simply undeclared, 
or declared but wrongly typed?  How many of the
"wrongly typed" ones involved type differences
that don't matter in Smalltalk (ie, long vs. short
numbers, different types of Collection)?  I will ssume that 
1 of these 8 errors would cause a Smalltalk program to 
produce the wrong result or fail (the Smalltalk compiler 
will catch any undeclared references, and about 92% of type 
incompatibilities in C++ are cases that will "just work fine"
at runtime in a Smalltalk program).

>                         - wrong number of arguments: 21
>                         - incorrect argument order: 5

Such errors (argument number/order) are FAR less likely 
in Smalltalk, thanks to Smalltalk's method name syntax.  
When they do occur, they are usually caught by the compiler 
because the incorrect message selector will probably not 
have any implementors.  Assume that all such errors would
be caught by the Smalltalk compiler (about 99% would be 
caught overall).

>                         - argument has wrong type: 7

How many of these involved type differences that don't
matter in Smalltalk? And how many were caused by the fact
that the Algol-style function call syntax makes it so easy
to get the arguments wrong? I'd assume that all of these 7 errors 
would simply not have happened in a Smalltalk program, either
because of the superior function call syntax, or because of
the superior interchangeability of similar object types.
Overall, I'd assume such errors happen about 1% of the time.

>         other errors detected at compile time: 47
>                 - missing `import_module' declarations: 7
>                 - errors in mode declarations: 13
>                 - others: 27
>         errors not detected until run time: 9

So I would estimate that of the 83 type errors, only 1 of them would show up at 
runtime in a Smalltalk program.  And all of them would probably be caught during 
early program testing. Other advantages of Smalltalk would probably eliminate several 
of those 9 run time errors (for example, more abstract code means that less new code
would need to be written to implement the program, and Smalltalk's large library
of classes/methods also reduces the need to write new--more buggy--code).  And if
it's a C++ program we're comparing against, then that introduces a whole menagerie
of possibilities for errors that would not occur in a Smalltalk program (can you
say "dangling pointer"?  I knew you could). 

And of course, the Smalltalk program will be ready for testing sooner, and thus 
you will have the luxury of testing it more thoroughly.

> The "syntax related" errors all relate to a particular aspect of
> Mercury syntax: calling and defining procedures that have implicit side
> effects uses a different syntax than is used for procedures which do
> not have any implicit side effects.  This is clearly an error-prone
> aspect of the syntax, but it enhances readability.
> 
> Of the "syntax errors", 10 were caused by missing or additional commas;
> this class would probably not occur if Mercury syntax used say `;' as
> a statement terminator rather than `,' as a statement separator.

Note how syntax affects the error rate.  The superiority of the Smalltalk
message send (function call) syntax in this regard has not been sufficiently
highlighted in these sorts of discussions, in my opinion.

--
Alan L. Lovejoy		|==============================================| 
Smalltalk Consultant	|	Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs!	       |
alovejoy@concentric.net |==============================================|




  reply	other threads:[~1997-01-24  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 467+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-01-16  0:00 OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-01-17  0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-16  0:00   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-17  0:00     ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-17  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-17  0:00         ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-18  0:00           ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-17  0:00             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-20  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-19  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-20  0:00               ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-19  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-20  0:00                   ` David Hanley
1997-01-21  0:00                     ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-22  0:00                       ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                         ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-23  0:00                         ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-20  0:00                   ` Bill Gooch
1997-01-20  0:00                   ` Graham Hughes
1997-01-21  0:00                     ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-21  0:00                       ` Marc Robertson
1997-01-24  0:00                         ` Mark Windholtz
1997-01-27  0:00                           ` David Hanley
     [not found]                             ` <32EE2FEE.62FE@p <32EE8415.2F5B@netright.com>
1997-01-28  0:00                               ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-29  0:00                                   ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                         ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Black box or white box (Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) David L. Shang
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` OO, C++, and something much better! David L. Shang
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` Jun Nolasco
1997-01-21  0:00                       ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-22  0:00                       ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                         ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-22  0:00                           ` Graham Hughes
1997-01-23  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                               ` Claus Reinke
1997-01-25  0:00                                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-25  0:00                                   ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-25  0:00                                   ` Lawrence G. Mayka
1997-01-28  0:00                                   ` Claus Reinke
1997-01-24  0:00                               ` Don Harrison
1997-01-24  0:00                                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                                   ` Don Harrison
1997-01-23  0:00                             ` Mark Woodruff
1997-01-24  0:00                             ` Richard A. O'Keefe
     [not found]                               ` <E4voIF.86o@world.std.com>
1997-02-12  0:00                                 ` Ulf Schuenemann
1997-01-23  0:00                           ` Robb Nebbe
1997-01-23  0:00                             ` David Hanley
1997-01-25  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                           ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-25  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-24  0:00                           ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-24  0:00                             ` Alan Lovejoy [this message]
1997-01-26  0:00                             ` Fergus Henderson
     [not found]                             ` <32E9BAAC. <5ce8t3$6gv@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
1997-01-28  0:00                               ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` Alan Knight
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-29  0:00                             ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-24  0:00                           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-01-25  0:00                         ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Rolf Breuning
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Ed Shirk
1997-01-22  0:00                   ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-25  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Samuel S. Shuster
1997-01-27  0:00                       ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-30  0:00                           ` Eirik Mangseth
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Jun Nolasco
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` David Hanley
1997-01-29  0:00                             ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-30  0:00                           ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-27  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-29  0:00                             ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-02-08  0:00                   ` Robin Rosenberg
1997-01-25  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` Dennis Smith
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Luther Hampton
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00                   ` Jacqueline U. Robertson
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` David Hanley
1997-01-30  0:00                     ` Robert C. Martin
     [not found]                       ` <5cr068$gpa@uni.library.ucla.edu>
1997-06-27  0:00                         ` David Shang
1997-06-28  0:00                           ` Ronald E Jeffries
1997-06-28  0:00                           ` Mike Stark
1997-06-29  0:00                           ` Mike Anderson
1997-06-29  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30  0:00                               ` Kohler Markus
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                   ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Rolf Breuning
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` James O'Connor
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` George Wolke
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Stanley R. Allen
1997-01-30  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-19  0:00             ` Soren Skogstad Nielsen
1997-01-20  0:00             ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-26  0:00               ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Multiple Type Interfaces Jon S Anthony
1997-01-28  0:00               ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` david scott gibson
1997-01-28  0:00                   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` david scott gibson
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` david scott gibson
1997-01-28  0:00               ` Dave Gibson
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-21  0:00             ` OO, C++, and something much better! Matthew S. Whiting
1997-01-21  0:00             ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-01-22  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                   ` Combining dynamic and static typing Don Harrison
1997-01-24  0:00                     ` Erik M. Buck
     [not found]                       ` <01bc0b21$6a8293e0$7df2ad80@wkst01.milagro.austin.tx.us>
1997-01-25  0:00                         ` Nathan M. Urban
1997-01-28  0:00                           ` David L. Shang
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` Nathan M. Urban
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` David L. Shang
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` Russ McClelland
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` Luther Hampton
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` Marc De Scheemaecker
     [not found]                             ` <5d0efr$meb@news.xmission.com>
1997-02-09  0:00                               ` daniel damian burden
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` David L. Shang
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` David L. Shang
1997-01-23  0:00                   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Don Harrison
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` John Woods
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-24  0:00                   ` Andy Bower
1997-01-25  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                       ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-26  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-25  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                       ` William Clodius
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-22  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-22  0:00                   ` John Kuszewski
1997-01-23  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1997-01-23  0:00                       ` Travis Griggs
1997-01-23  0:00                       ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-24  0:00                     ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-24  0:00             ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` Felix Beer
1997-01-28  0:00               ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Del Archer
1997-01-24  0:00             ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` Bob Haugen
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                     ` TanselErsavas
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Samuel S. Shuster
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Larry J. Elmore
1997-01-26  0:00                     ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` David Hanley
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` James O'Connor
1997-01-26  0:00                     ` TanselErsavas
1997-01-26  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                           ` Antoine Trux
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-24  0:00             ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-27  0:00             ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00               ` OO, C++, and more and more useless arguments! Robert C. Martin
1997-01-28  0:00             ` OO, C++, and something much better! Al Christians
1997-01-28  0:00             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-29  0:00             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-21  0:00             ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-02-21  0:00               ` Brian Rogoff
1997-02-21  0:00             ` Chris Bitmead
1997-02-24  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-24  0:00               ` Brian Rogoff
1997-02-25  0:00                 ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-01-21  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-22  0:00             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00               ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-24  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Tim Ottinger
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Ted Dennison
1997-01-24  0:00                 ` traymond
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` traymond
1997-01-25  0:00                 ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Brian Rogoff
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Reflection in Ada (was: Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-01-30  0:00                       ` OO, C++, and something much better! Tim Ottinger
1997-01-23  0:00               ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Richie Bielak
1997-01-23  0:00                 ` Bill Gooch
1997-01-23  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                   ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-24  0:00                     ` Eirik Mangseth
     [not found]                     ` <32E85588.1978@parcplace.com>
1997-01-26  0:00                       ` Paul Perkins
1997-01-26  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` John Gale
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-28  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                   ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-23  0:00                     ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-24  0:00                       ` Robb Nebbe
1997-01-25  0:00                         ` OO, C++, and something much better! David N. Smith
1997-01-24  0:00                       ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Richie Bielak
1997-01-24  0:00                         ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-24  0:00                           ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-27  0:00                             ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-01-25  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Defintion, again, was Re: Static vs. Dynamic typing again David L. Shang
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Fergus Henderson
1997-02-09  0:00                               ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-10  0:00                                 ` Matt Kennel
1997-02-14  0:00                                   ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-15  0:00                       ` Pieter Schoenmakers
1997-02-16  0:00                         ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-23  0:00                     ` Rolf Breuning
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Jun Nolasco
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Mark Windholtz
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Alan Knight
1997-02-08  0:00                 ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something mu Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-23  0:00             ` OO, C++, and something much better! James O'Connor
1997-01-29  0:00               ` Stanley R. Allen
1997-01-30  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-27  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-19  0:00       ` Keith Thompson
1997-01-22  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1997-01-23  0:00       ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-23  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-24  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1997-01-27  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-29  0:00             ` "(Sub)type" -safety Don Harrison
1997-01-29  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-30  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-20  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-01-24  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-26  0:00   ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-27  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-27  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-28  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-29  0:00   ` Stephen J Bevan
1997-01-21  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-22  0:00   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-01-27  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-27  0:00       ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-28  0:00         ` Travis Griggs
1997-01-28  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28  0:00       ` Russ McClelland
1997-01-27  0:00   ` John Woods
1997-01-22  0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-24  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29  0:00   ` Multiple Type Interfaces Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-25  0:00 ` OO, C++, and something much better! Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-25  0:00 ` James O'Connor
1997-01-26  0:00   ` Lawrence G. Mayka
1997-01-26  0:00     ` James O'Connor
1997-01-25  0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-02-07  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-07  0:00   ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-12  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-13  0:00       ` Alan Lovejoy
     [not found]         ` <yf3ybcsm5ce.fsf@sabi.demon.co.uk>
1997-02-14  0:00           ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-16  0:00             ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-16  0:00               ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-17  0:00                 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-13  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-13  0:00       ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-18  0:00         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-19  0:00           ` William Clodius
1997-02-19  0:00             ` Mike Klein
1997-02-19  0:00           ` Mike Klein
1997-02-19  0:00           ` richard
1997-02-15  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-16  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-16  0:00   ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Dave Schaumann
1997-02-19  0:00       ` Anders Pytte
1997-02-16  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-02-18  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-20  0:00       ` Matt Kennel
1997-02-20  0:00         ` Anders Pytte
1997-02-17  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-17  0:00   ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-19  0:00     ` David L. Shang
1997-02-21  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-24  0:00       ` David L. Shang
1997-02-25  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-17  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-17  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-19  0:00       ` Mike Klein
1997-02-17  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-18  0:00   ` Bernard Badger
1997-02-18  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-18  0:00   ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Jon S Anthony
1997-02-21  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-02-24  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-25  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-23  0:00   ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Richard Katz
1997-02-24  0:00     ` David L. Shang
1997-02-25  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-02-27  0:00     ` Clayton Weaver
1997-02-25  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-25  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-26  0:00   ` Mike Klein
1997-02-25  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-01-28  0:00 Ell
1997-01-28  0:00 Snowball Info
1997-01-27  0:00 Ell
1997-01-22  0:00 Ell
1997-01-21  0:00 Ell
1997-01-21  0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-01-08  0:00 Sazonov Cyril
1997-01-11  0:00 ` Bjarne Stroustrup
1997-01-01  0:00 What is wrong with OO ? Jon S Anthony
1997-01-02  0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-03  0:00   ` Eirik Mangseth
1997-01-03  0:00     ` What is wrong with OO O X g Greg Comeau
1997-01-04  0:00       ` OO, C++, and something much better! John (Max) Skaller
1997-01-04  0:00         ` vlad
1997-01-05  0:00         ` Mike Anderson
1997-01-06  0:00         ` Stanley Allen
1997-01-09  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-06  0:00         ` Chris Brand
1997-01-08  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-09  0:00   ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-01-27  0:00     ` Richard Riehle
1997-01-10  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-10  0:00   ` Robb Nebbe
1997-01-04  0:00 ` Pieter Schoenmakers
1997-01-06  0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-01-06  0:00   ` Michael F Brenner
1997-01-06  0:00     ` Tucker Taft
1997-01-07  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-08  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-07  0:00   ` Jay Martin
1997-01-08  0:00     ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-08  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-08  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-09  0:00         ` Ted Dennison
1997-01-07  0:00   ` Andrew Koenig
1997-01-10  0:00     ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-12  0:00   ` Richard Riehle
1997-01-07  0:00 ` Stanley Allen
1997-01-07  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-07  0:00     ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-01-08  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-08  0:00       ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-10  0:00     ` Keith Thompson
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-15  0:00         ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-15  0:00           ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-20  0:00           ` Andrew Koenig
1997-01-25  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-15  0:00       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-01-08  0:00 ` Kohler Markus
1997-01-08  0:00 ` David Emery
1997-01-09  0:00   ` Don Harrison
1997-01-10  0:00     ` Marky Mark
1997-01-14  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1997-01-08  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-08  0:00   ` Mark A Biggar
1997-01-09  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Roy Phillips
1997-01-27  0:00         ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-28  0:00           ` matthew mclellan
1997-01-09  0:00   ` Don Harrison
1997-01-09  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Bart Samwel
1997-01-10  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-13  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1997-01-13  0:00         ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-13  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-13  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-15  0:00             ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-17  0:00               ` Keith Thompson
1997-01-16  0:00             ` Keith Thompson
1997-01-16  0:00               ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-14  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1997-01-14  0:00           ` Michael F Brenner
1997-01-13  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-14  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1997-01-10  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-13  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1997-01-13  0:00         ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-15  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1997-01-13  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1997-01-14  0:00           ` Jeff Carter
1997-01-15  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1997-01-17  0:00               ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-17  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-18  0:00           ` Patrick Doyle
1997-01-20  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-10  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-10  0:00 ` Matt Austern
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