From: Eric Clayberg <clayberg@parcplace.com>
Subject: Re: Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something much better!)
Date: 1997/01/23
Date: 1997-01-23T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <32E7E08A.3079@parcplace.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 32E7BD57.2558@calfp.com
Richie Bielak wrote:
> What also wanted to say in my previous post is that static typing
> proves that there is no call in the program that will cause
> the "message not understood" error.
So a static type check can prove that a message wont be sent to an
object whose memory has been freed up prematurely, huh? I don't think
so. A static type check would certainly catch *some* "message not
understood" problems (in particular, those that corresponded to actual
type errors), but by no means all or even most of them. Most "message
not understood" errors are caused by messages being sent to nil (e.g.,
an uninitialized variable or a prematurely freed variable). Furthermore,
the static type checker would not be able to detect errors that were
caused by dynamic message creation and dispatch (e.g., the message
selector is constructed dynamically based on runtime data).
> Is the chance of this kind of error "absurdly low"?
For "message not understood" errors that correspond to actual type
errors, yes.
Static type checkers have been developed for Smalltalk (e.g., the
StrongTalk system). They have not been commercially successful so far.
Although they work fine, they are attempting to solve a problem that in
practice isn't really a problem. Smalltalk has been around for a long
time. Techniques for adding static type checking to it have been
available for a long time. If static typing had ever become an important
issue for the Smalltalk community, the Smalltalk vendors (IBM included)
would have provided that capability. It hasn't, so they haven't.
-Eric
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1997-01-18 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-17 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-20 0:00 ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-19 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-20 0:00 ` Graham Hughes
1997-01-21 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-21 0:00 ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-21 0:00 ` Marc Robertson
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Mark Windholtz
1997-01-27 0:00 ` David Hanley
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28 0:00 ` David Hanley
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1997-01-28 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29 0:00 ` David Hanley
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-30 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-30 0:00 ` David L. Shang
1997-01-30 0:00 ` Black box or white box (Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) David L. Shang
1997-01-29 0:00 ` OO, C++, and something much better! Jun Nolasco
1997-01-22 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-22 0:00 ` Graham Hughes
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Claus Reinke
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Lawrence G. Mayka
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Claus Reinke
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Mark Woodruff
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
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1997-02-12 0:00 ` Ulf Schuenemann
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Robb Nebbe
1997-01-23 0:00 ` David Hanley
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-26 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Alan Knight
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1997-01-28 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
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1997-01-30 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Ed Shirk
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Rolf Breuning
1997-01-20 0:00 ` Bill Gooch
1997-01-20 0:00 ` David Hanley
1997-01-21 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-22 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-22 0:00 ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Samuel S. Shuster
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
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1997-01-30 0:00 ` Eirik Mangseth
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Jun Nolasco
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-29 0:00 ` David Hanley
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-30 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-30 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-30 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Bob Jarvis
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1997-01-27 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
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1997-01-27 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-02-08 0:00 ` Robin Rosenberg
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1997-01-29 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Dennis Smith
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-28 0:00 ` David Hanley
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Jacqueline U. Robertson
1997-01-29 0:00 ` David Hanley
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1997-06-28 0:00 ` Mike Stark
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1997-06-30 0:00 ` Kohler Markus
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Luther Hampton
1997-01-28 0:00 ` David Hanley
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1997-01-29 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
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1997-01-20 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-19 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
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1997-01-26 0:00 ` James O'Connor
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1997-01-29 0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
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1997-01-28 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
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1997-01-19 0:00 ` Soren Skogstad Nielsen
1997-01-20 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-26 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
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1997-01-28 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
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1997-01-21 0:00 ` OO, C++, and something much better! Matthew S. Whiting
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1997-01-24 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
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1997-01-23 0:00 ` Don Harrison
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1997-01-29 0:00 ` Russ McClelland
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Luther Hampton
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1997-02-09 0:00 ` daniel damian burden
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1997-01-28 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-29 0:00 ` David L. Shang
1997-01-24 0:00 ` OO, C++, and something much better! Andy Bower
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1997-01-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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